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18:22:06
gingerale
minty: 'Outlaws of the Atlantic: Sailors, Pirates, and Motley Crews in the Age of Sail' by Marcus Rediker
18:38:10
shinmera
https://chat.tymoon.eu/data//stevenchan/8dcb3e2c7e171630ea063c67f7aedfcb4e75418d9db099a8ed4aa7947d852884.png
18:46:48
gingerale
https://chat.tymoon.eu/data//stevenchan/93b3a12c35512a88e0cc00639dc65c5e97291fa05ba48aa54baf763636777cef.jpg
19:57:49
minty
https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/1407788080157843463?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
20:04:17
minty
i'm sorry... he was accused of rape n murder n tax evasion. i periodically check in on y'know... whether or not people are gonna like, face justice for the horrible shit they do
20:06:42
shinmera
It's funno how I wish most of my friends colud get the fuck out of their countries.
20:07:28
shinmera
minty: https://twitter.com/CryptoWhale/status/1407785151720009728?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1407785151720009728%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.somethingawful.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Fthreadid%3D3940821userid%3D0perpage%3D40pagenumber%3D5838
20:08:10
gingerale
Here's something positive. An art reveal for an upcoming community made D&D book I'm looking forward to. https://twitter.com/InMyEberron/status/1407730174871883777
20:14:59
minty
shinmera: that's cool n all but that's dumb as shit cuz he ran for libertarian party for like, 2012 or some shit so "he was being repressed"
20:17:03
minty
"subtle messages" probably a letter from the irs saying "you owe 80k back taxes fucko"
20:17:18
gingerale
Why are these people so against taxes anyways? Can't do much without a proper infrastructure provided by the local government.
20:17:48
minty
libertarians believe all taxation is theft. and also that age of consent laws are tyranny
20:18:49
minty
well, right wing libertarians do. and they are most of the american libertarian groups
20:19:37
minty
on a sidenote, episode three of seize the memes dropped on meanstv today and it's lovely
20:29:23
gingerale
I was just thinking about how detective stories the detectives are called 'gumshoes' and wondered what kind of a detective would be a 'bubblegumshoe.'
20:30:37
minty
just, in a house with my partner, they're looking at the bloodspatter patterns n i'm like "this fucker has ayn rand on their bookshelf lol fukken nerd no wonder they're dead"
20:36:53
gingerale
I once considered reading it just to try to understand the point of view but it felt like too much effort.
20:38:26
minty
the fountainhead, the main female character gets raped by the main male, and she thinks about it immediately afterwards, and how logically, it was okay because he was physically capable of dominating her
20:38:52
minty
now, for starters, WHO THE FUCK THINKS LIKE THAT IMMEDIATELY AFTER GETTING RAPED, and for second off, THAT'S NOT HOW REALITY WORKS
20:39:49
minty
ayn rand also thought that the natives deserved to be colonized because why were they upset that they had all this land when they weren't using it to put up buildings and factories
20:40:02
shinmera
"For twelve years, you have been asking: Who is John Galt? This is John Galt speaking. I am the man who loves his life. I am the man who does not sacrifice his love or his values. I am the man who has deprived you of victims and thus has destroyed your world, and if you wish to know why you are perishing-you who dread knowledge-I am the man who will now tell you." The chief engineer was the only one able to move; he ran to a television set and struggled frantically with its dials. But the screen remained empty; the speaker had not chosen to be seen. Only his voice filled the airways of the country-of the world, thought the chief engineer-sounding as if he were speaking here, in this room, not to a group, but to one man; it was not the tone of addressing a meeting, but the tone of addressing a mind.
"You have heard it said that this is an age of moral crisis. You have said it yourself, half in fear, half in hope that the words had no meaning. You have cried that man's sins are destroying the world and you have cursed human nature for its unwillingness to practice the virtues you demanded. Since virtue, to you, consists of sacrifice, you have demanded more sacrifices at every successive disaster. In the name of a return to morality, you have sacrificed all those evils which you held as the cause of your plight. You have sacrificed justice to mercy. You have sacrificed independence to unity. You have sacrificed reason to faith. You have sacrificed wealth to need. You have sacrificed self-esteem to self-denial. You have sacrificed happiness to duty.
"You have destroyed all that which you held to be evil and achieved all that which you held to be good. Why, then, do you shrink in horror from the sight of the world around you? That world is not the product of your sins, it is the product and the image of your virtues. It is your moral ideal brought into reality in its full and final perfection. You have fought for it, you have dreamed of it, and you have wished it, and I-I am the man who has granted you your wish.
"Your ideal had an implacable enemy, which your code of morality was designed to destroy. I have withdrawn that enemy. I have taken it out of your way and out of your reach. I have removed the source of all those evils you were sacrificing one by one. I have ended your battle. I have stopped your motor. I have deprived your world of man's mind.
"Men do not live by the mind, you say? I have withdrawn those who do. The mind is impotent, you say? I have withdrawn those whose mind isn't. There are values higher than the mind, you say? I have withdrawn those for whom there aren't.
"While you were dragging to your sacrificial altars the men of justice, of independence, of reason, of wealth, of self-esteem-I beat you to it, I reached them first. I told them the nature of the game you were playing and the nature of that moral code of yours, which they had been too innocently generous to grasp. I showed them the way to live by another morality-mine. It is mine that they chose to follow.
"All the men who have vanished, the men you hated, yet dreaded to lose, it is I who have taken them away from you. Do not attempt to find us. We do not choose to be found. Do not cry that it is our duty to serve you. We do not recognize such duty. Do not cry that you need us. We do not consider need a claim. Do not cry that you own us. You don't. Do not beg us to return. We are on strike, we, the men of the mind.
"We are on strike against self-immolation. We are on strike against the creed of unearned rewards and unrewarded duties. We are on strike against the dogma that the pursuit of one's happiness is evil. We are on strike against the doctrine that life is guilt.
"There is a difference between our strike and all those you've practiced for centuries: our strike consists, not of making demands, but of granting them. We are evil, according to your morality. We have chosen not to harm you any longer. We are useless, according to your economics. We have chosen not to exploit you any longer. We are dangerous and to be shackled, according to your politics. We have chosen not to endanger you, nor to wear the shackles any longer. We are only an illusion, according to your philosophy. We have chosen not to blind you any longer and have left you free to face reality-the reality you wanted, the world as you see it now, a world without mind.
"We have granted you everything you demanded of us, we who had always been the givers, but have only now understood it. We have no demands to present to you, no terms to bargain about, no compromise to reach. You have nothing to offer us. We do not need you.
"Are you now crying: No, this was not what you wanted? A mindless world of ruins was not your goal? You did not want us to leave you? You moral cannibals, I know that you've always known what it was that you wanted. But your game is up, because now we know it, too.
"Through centuries of scourges and disasters, brought about by your code of morality, you have cried that your code had been broken, that the scourges were punishment for breaking it, that men were too weak and too selfish to spill all the blood it required. You damned man, you damned existence, you damned this earth, but never dared to question your code. Your victims took the blame and struggled on, with your curses as reward for their martyrdom-while you went on crying that your code was noble, but human nature was not good enough to practice it. And no one rose to ask the question: Good?-by what standard?
"You wanted to know John Galt's identity. I am the man who has asked that question.
"Yes, this is an age of moral crisis. Yes, you are bearing punishment for your evil. But it is not man who is now on trial and it is not human nature that will take the blame. It is your moral code that's through, this time. Your moral code has reached its climax, the blind alley at the end of its course. And if you wish to go on living, what you now need is not to return to morality-you who have never known any-but to discover it.
"You have heard no concepts of morality but the mystical or the social. You have been taught that morality is a code of behavior imposed on you by whim, the whim of a supernatural power or the whim of society, to serve God's purpose or your neighbor's welfare, to please an authority beyond the grave or else next door-but not to serve your life or pleasure. Your pleasure, you have been taught, is to be found in immorality, your interests would best be served by evil, and any moral code must be designed not for you, but against you, not to further your life, but to drain it.
"For centuries, the battle of morality was fought between those who claimed that your life belongs to God and those who claimed that it belongs to your neighbors-between those who preached that the good is self-sacrifice for the sake of ghosts in heaven and those who preached that the good is self-sacrifice for the sake of incompetents on earth. And no one came to say that your life belongs to you and that the good is to live it.
"Both sides agreed that morality demands the surrender of your self-interest and of your mind, that the moral and the practical are opposites, that morality is not the province of reason, but the province of faith and force. Both sides agreed that no rational morality is possible, that there is no right or wrong in reason-that in reason there's no reason to be moral.
"Whatever else they fought about, it was against man's mind that all your moralists have stood united. It was man's mind that all their schemes and systems were intended to despoil and destroy. Now choose to perish or to learn that the anti-mind is the anti-life.
"Man's mind is his basic tool of survival. Life is given to him, survival is not. His body is given to him, its sustenance is not. His mind is given to him, its content is not. To remain alive, he must act, and before he can act he must know the nature and purpose of his action. He cannot obtain his food without a knowledge of food and of the way to obtain it. He cannot dig a ditch-or build a cyclotron-without a knowledge of his aim and of the means to achieve it. To remain alive, he must think.
"But to think is an act of choice. The key to what you so recklessly call 'human nature,' the open secret you live with, yet dread to name, is the fact that man is a being of volitional consciousness. Reason does not work automatically; thinking is not a mechanical process; the connections of logic are not made by instinct. The function of your stomach, lungs or heart is automatic; the function of your mind is not. In any hour and issue of your life, you are free to think or to evade that effort. But you are not free to escape from your nature, from the fact that reason is your means of survival-so that for you, who are a human being, the question 'to be or not to be' is the question 'to' think or not to think.'
"A being of volitional consciousness has no automatic course of behavior. He needs a code of values to guide his actions. 'Value' is that which one acts to gain and keep, 'virtue' is the action by which one gains and keeps it. 'Value' presupposes an answer to the question: of value to whom and for what? 'Value' presupposes a standard, a purpose and the necessity of action in the face of an alternative. Where there are no alternatives, no values are possible.
"There is only one fundamental alternative in the universe: existence or non-existence-and it pertains to a single class of entities: to living organisms. The existence of inanimate matter is unconditional, the existence of life is not; it depends on a specific course of action. Matter is indestructible, it changes its forms, but it cannot cease to exist. It is only a living organism that faces a constant alternative: the issue of life or death. Life is a process of self-sustaining and-self-generated action. If an organism fails in that action, it does; its chemical elements remain, but its life goes out of existence. It is only the concept of 'Life' that makes the concept of 'Value' possible. It is only to a living entity that things can be good or evil.
20:41:52
minty
yeah i finally made it to the top and as soon as it said "who is john galt?" i stopped caring
20:49:24
minty
absolutely these people want a dad. they don't want to have to be responsible or think for themselves.
20:52:48
shinmera
The worst part for me about all of this... and all of the trump stuff I've been following is that there doesn't really seem to be any way to deprogram these people. Even when their glorious leader shits his pants live on camera for everyone to see, it doesn't make a difference.
20:53:16
shinmera
Trump isn't even trump to these people, he's just a placeholder for their ideals. How do you even combat that?
20:59:34
minty
there's a show on meanstv called "not even a show" where they just prank call conservatives
21:30:06
shinmera
minty: here's something nice https://twitter.com/RanttMedia/status/1407753160760889351?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1407753160760889351%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fforums.somethingawful.com%2Fshowthread.php%3Fthreadid%3D3940821userid%3D0perpage%3D40pagenumber%3D5839
21:32:58
shinmera
It's amazing how the right has managed to turn CRT into the next boogeyman for their brainless base to mindlessly scream about.
21:35:48
shinmera
turns out the civil war was never really won and the racists are still all the same
21:37:33
minty
and there were a lot of confederate leaders who were imprisoned and/or going to hang, and the guy who took over after lincoln was like "yeh let's let these fine gentlemen out"
21:38:09
minty
i find it weird how... for the most part, i remember elaborate events and relations throughout history but i cannot fucking remember the names like...
22:13:16
shinmera
Friend of mine says being a seagull is best. You can walk, fly, swim, and eat pretty much anything.
22:16:02
minty
if i could live in any way i picked i would ideally pick like, 80's cartoon small person home, like... david the gnome or some shit. a small nook in a tree with cozy shelving and a fireplace
22:16:49
shinmera
I wanna live in one of those ultra modern, flat, cold designer places. You know. Basically Mirror's Edge.
22:18:23
minty
i like that aesthetic too, but at the same time i also really love the "lived in" aesthetic where, in a movie, the house actually looks like the person lives there? there's books and the covers are beat up and the bindings are bent so you know they've been read.
22:20:23
minty
it's something that bothers me in horror movies lately. where, the person has this large house that regular people watching the movie aren't able to afford anymore
22:28:39
minty
i gotta learn how this dude made the moveable arms on this little guy... i've seen other plushie makers stitch a whole leg and then attach it via a button stitched through the arm but this one is done internally