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12:04:38 shinmera gingerale: at least if it's just antidepressants you can't OD.

12:04:45 shinmera so I wouldn't worry too much.

12:06:27 gingerale The one I get is considered somewhat dangerous in overdose.

12:06:46 shinmera I doubt double will do anything, though.

12:07:02 shinmera If anything, you worrying about it is going to do more

12:07:03 gingerale Nah, it wouldn't. But here, this is what I take https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupropion#Overdose

12:07:03 Colleen en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bupro... Website (HTML), Title: Bupropion - Wikipedia

12:07:49 gingerale Worst it's ever caused was spikes of brain activity while I tried to sleep when I took it too late.

13:05:54 PincerAttack Yo

13:06:18 shinmera oY

13:24:49 shinmera PincerAttack: aw man you didn't have to. But thanks!

13:28:50 PincerAttack Got to appreciate spess

13:36:37 isoraqathedh Today I saw Grandma Wong still out there protesting while on my way to replace my ID card.

15:13:28 gingerale Good gosh I am so tired. I ended up climbing into bed in the middle of my workday for a while.

15:57:42 shinmera ech

17:19:33 minty good job shin

17:19:45 minty swiss won their first world cup match

17:19:50 minty v proud of you rn

17:20:04 shinmera football sucks and switzerland sucks

17:21:16 minty :argh:

17:21:47 shinmera Not like the teams matter at all, all of the players are imported from other countries

17:22:01 shinmera it's just nationalist hysteria and capitalism

17:22:17 minty i know the bread and circus is bread and circus

17:22:55 isoraqathedh Eh, it's Good Enough.

17:23:06 minty and that the stadiums are usually built with slave labor

17:23:22 isoraqathedh Also they play at stupid hours like 3 in the morning.

17:23:40 minty yeah the swiss game was at 4 am here

17:24:05 minty it sucks because it's such a universal sport... any country can play it it doesn't require a lot of gear just a ball and some friends

17:24:08 isoraqathedh Did you know that Animal Crossing has funny music at 03:00?

17:24:22 minty could be a great unifier if it were out of fifa's death grip

17:25:34 isoraqathedh The worst thing is that if you bag them and turn them in you get like maybe 20p for your troubles.

17:26:14 isoraqathedh I've never been interested in football.

17:26:25 isoraqathedh Though, so I don't really feel like emoting a lot about it.

17:26:36 minty i only watch the world cup. murrica not really a footie country

17:26:43 isoraqathedh I don't even watch that.

17:26:56 isoraqathedh Along with the 3:00 problem above it's just not an interesting game.

17:27:04 isoraqathedh Most ball games are better off being played rather than watching play.

17:28:03 isoraqathedh minty: So I learnt of this thing about tuning systems in music.

17:28:28 minty go on

17:28:30 isoraqathedh In most of the world, equal temperament as we use in contemporary Euramerican styles is actually fairly rare.

17:29:03 isoraqathedh Although we have earliest records of 12ET in China, they didn't use it. Europeans discovered it eventually.

17:29:48 isoraqathedh Most other places use a mix of systems that involve setting up each tone individually. Sometimes it's on a fixed interval, sometimes there's fewer tones, and most of the time it's mostly very flexible.

17:30:17 isoraqathedh There are two very simple reasons why equal temperament won out in Europe, and so the world:-

17:31:32 isoraqathedh 1. European music is unusual for involving more than one instrument and the human voice. The requirement that everyone needs to be playing the same pitch means that flexible tuning systems don't work.

17:33:46 isoraqathedh 2. Later on, the idea of there being a tonal centre (a key) and that you can /change/ between them means that in order for the music to sound good when changing between them, each key has to be roughly as good as each other without needing to retune. And so, equal temperament won out over other candidates such as Pythagorean tuning and well temperament.

17:34:09 isoraqathedh These two points reinforce each other until finally equal temperament won out.

17:35:11 minty this isn't something i had put a lot of thought into because i haven't played for years, honestly... i googled while reading and found a thing on other tuning systems

17:35:56 isoraqathedh One particularly interesting consequence of this is that it seems like if someone tries to create music using lots of traditional instruments from many cultures, you will have to end up retuning a lot of them or they will refuse to work together.

17:40:19 isoraqathedh That's not surprising, but it turns out that even absent Europeans the easiest solution might be equal temperament anyway.

17:43:37 minty so if i'm understanding this right, the equal temperament works fine for conventional violin type-strings but if you wanted to have, say, a sitar, a shamisen, and a bouzouki, it would sound off?

17:44:52 minty i'm curious to hear the audio differences of this now

17:47:25 minty back in a bit, food prep

17:49:38 isoraqathedh Equal temperament is /convenient/ if you want to have music involving lots of instruments. It is /necessary/ if you have keys and more importantly key changes in music.

17:51:32 isoraqathedh (Well, not necessary, but it is if you want to be able to change keys a whole lot or perform multiple pieces in different keys without retuning.)

18:42:28 gingerale shinmera: I'm going to need to move Outer Wilds to tomorrow night. But I'll have everything I need to do ready by then so I can just relax until stream time.

18:43:01 shinmera Aight.

18:43:52 gingerale Also this headache is hitting me hard today. It's annoying because it comes and goes but hurts really hard.

18:44:27 gingerale https://chat.tymoon.eu/data//stevenchan/484788b4ffe905db1e178e1b2e74018e915e3efa8365e6f7301dca06f65ed75f.jpg

18:44:27 Colleen chat.tymoon.eu/data//steven... Image (JPEG)

18:44:32 gingerale Vegan chorizo stew with mash.

18:45:10 PincerAttack Looking good

18:45:15 gingerale Thank you

20:03:51 gingerale Dang. I can't get gnuplot to work in msys2. It just doesn't launch.

20:17:22 shinmera So at the beginning of Tales of Berseria, the main character, Velvet, is this overly protective older sister character. After her brother gets sacrificed she turns into a demon and swears revenge. So when you start playing after this prologue she's extremely ruthless and uses whatever she can to her advantage to reach her goal. I found that to be an extremely welcome breath of fresh air. I don't often see a sympathetic character being such an obviously egotistical and manipulative person, and it owns.

20:18:04 shinmera Over time now she developed away from that, I suppose inevitably so going by standard story conventions, but I'm a bit conflicted about it as, while "growth" is nice to witness, she's also just turning into a less interesting character.

20:19:12 shinmera I would have absolutely loved to have more of the game be her being exploitative and manipulative and seeing the repercussions from that (so far there have not been any real consequences for that)

20:27:19 shinmera Anyway, still mostly having a good time with it

20:27:51 gingerale That's good to hear. A character being obviously bad but not getting any repercussions because they're in the main cast is always a bit eh..

20:28:16 shinmera Sorry, I wasn't clear.

20:28:40 shinmera So, her actions do have short-term consequences, and it's generally fine

20:29:24 shinmera But I would have liked a more crystallised story about her character just being cutthroat all the way through, and the story being about that. As in, the things she does leading to long-term consequences.

20:29:45 shinmera As is I think it's unlikely that'll really happen (it might?), just because it looks like it's a different kind of story.

20:38:41 gingerale Yeh. Would be nice if there was someone who'd come after her and be completely justified about it.

20:39:17 shinmera Either that, or the destruction / manipulation leading to complications later down the road.

21:37:02 gingerale I think I'll get to bed. Goodnight.

21:37:37 PincerAttack Night

21:48:45 suntmc the new pokemon games are a mess. fell through the ground 2 times, and crashed to main menu once already

21:48:53 suntmc i'm like 8 hours in

21:49:07 shinmera yea

21:49:13 shinmera they're very plainly unfinished

21:49:19 suntmc framerate is abysmal and it's so clunky. mechanically i have enjoyed Arceus so much more

21:49:48 suntmc Arceus was graphically shite as well, but it played well enough for me to look past that

21:50:09 suntmc the new ones are a mix between Arceus and Sword/Shield, but not in a good way

21:51:12 suntmc it's a shame. maybe it'd been a bit better framerate wise if the switch was more powerful. i really hope they're gonna release a better Switch soon

21:51:47 shinmera It would be better if they had time to finish the game, too.

21:51:59 shinmera the switch can look good, if you have time to make the game run on it.

21:52:00 suntmc that as well

21:52:16 suntmc yeah, but the only games that look really good are the ones with years and years of development

21:52:45 shinmera right.

21:52:46 suntmc which isn't possible with a yearly franchise. and if there was more overhead in the hardware, they'd get away more with unoptimized code

21:53:04 shinmera wee-eell

21:53:15 shinmera the thing with more hardware is always whether they're just gonna fill it with even more slop.

21:53:26 suntmc sure

21:54:09 suntmc but i mean if you look at the PS5/XSX, yearly franchises don't look as stunning as first party AAA titles and yet they generally still don't run like shit

21:54:31 suntmc ok, and with first party AAA titles i'm talking about sony, mostly

21:55:26 suntmc then again, most games i've played on the switch so far, even the ones that were years in the making didn't really have a stable framerate either

21:55:57 suntmc Botw can be quite laggy at times. ACNH drops frames hard when walking over bigger flower patches etc

21:56:34 suntmc MK8, Splat and Mario are generally fine though

21:56:52 suntmc Kirby was 30FPS locked. it was stable though

21:57:03 shinmera Astral Chain looked great and I didn't remember any fps issues.

21:57:22 suntmc i'm gonna assume it was only 30FPS though.

21:57:33 suntmc but yeah, if at least it was stable

21:57:49 suntmc do you play a lot docked?

21:57:53 shinmera yea

21:58:17 suntmc right. i play mostly handheld. it's usually worse since it runs downclocked

21:58:45 shinmera depends on the game. some really struggle with the doubled resolution.

21:58:54 suntmc yeah

21:59:03 suntmc i think so far i've only played first party games

21:59:08 suntmc and Celeste

21:59:50 suntmc either way, i stand behind my point that the Switch's hardware is horribly outdated

21:59:58 shinmera oh there's no debate about that.

22:00:19 shinmera the switch was... too successful. so now ninty has the problem that releasing a new console would ruin their market share again.

22:00:39 suntmc i was so disappointed when they brought the OLED model without any bump in specs

22:01:10 shinmera it does have more RAM.

22:01:16 suntmc it does?

22:01:18 shinmera it does.

22:01:27 shinmera but you have to still design your game to run with the old ram limit.

22:01:39 suntmc "However, Digital Foundry has interestingly discovered that the Nintendo Switch OLED model development kit features 8 GB of RAM, compared to the regular model's 6GB. Although the OLED dev kit features 8GB, all retail Switch units will continue to include only 4GB."

22:01:53 shinmera Wait whaa

22:01:58 shinmera why only the devkit lmfao

22:02:02 suntmc classic nintendo

22:02:25 suntmc apparently the initial design for the switch included only 2GB of ram, but capcom persuaded them to increase it to 4

22:02:34 shinmera yikes

22:03:29 suntmc i mean, i don't want nintendo to compete with the PS5 and shit, but man. 2022 and no 4K output, no HDR, barely anything running over 30fps.

22:03:58 suntmc it's amazing how they managed to put The Witcher 3 on that thing

22:04:08 shinmera I honestly do not think switch2 will support 4k my friend.

22:04:20 suntmc Nvidia has SoCs that support 4K no prob

22:04:27 suntmc they've been out for years at this point

22:04:28 shinmera yea so what :)

22:04:52 suntmc they could also use whatever AMD put into the Steam Deck :y

22:05:23 suntmc i think the thing is, at some point they might have to do something anyway bc nvidia won't manufacture this version of their Tegra forever

22:05:56 suntmc https://www.pcmag.com/news/report-nvidia-to-end-production-of-nintendo-switch-tegra-chip hm. guess this was a lie then

22:05:57 Colleen www.pcmag.com/news/report-n... Website (HTML), Title: Report: Nvidia to End Production of Nintendo Switch Tegra Chip | PCMag

22:06:36 suntmc https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2022/09/nvidia-employee-comment-confirms-chip-rumoured-to-be-used-in-switch-pro-is-real

22:06:37 Colleen www.nintendolife.com/news/2... Website (HTML), Title: Nvidia Employee Comment Confirms Chip Rumoured To Be Used In 'Switch Pro' Is Real | Nintendo Life

22:06:43 suntmc 'chip is real' yeah no shit.

22:14:08 suntmc either way, i'm guessing we won't see a new switch next year

22:14:24 shinmera :shrug:

23:11:17 suntmc ech

23:11:24 suntmc stayed up for too long again. oh well

23:11:26 suntmc night