tynet-lichat/stevenchan

16:48:48 gingerale Was going to go out for a walk but holy heck this headache spiked in the past half an hour.

16:53:54 gingerale I hope you're all having a good evening

16:54:01 shinmera It's ok.

16:54:10 shinmera I should finish work and write these docs, but I'm distracted

16:59:50 gingerale What's distracting?

17:00:56 shinmera Trying to figure out which games to delete from this massive PSX rom dump so it can fit onto the remaining space of my Mister.

17:01:13 gingerale Ah, tough choices

17:40:51 suntmc huh, hexchat just crashed

17:41:03 shinmera F

17:41:20 suntmc guess i'll never find out what's distracting

17:41:43 shinmera you could check the logs

17:43:06 suntmc apparently not

17:43:15 suntmc stevenchan irclog just shows me a blank page

17:43:27 shinmera https://irclog.tymoon.eu/tynet-lichat/stevenchan?around=1680195656#1680195656

17:43:28 Colleen irclog.tymoon.eu/tynet-lich... Website (XHTML), Title: tynet-lichat/stevenchan - IRC Chatlog

17:43:43 shinmera should probably delete the old channel offa there.

17:43:47 suntmc :II

17:43:57 suntmc ye clicked on the first stevenchan i saw

17:45:13 shinmera there we go.

17:53:49 suntmc trying to build a dyi NAS with ECC memory is a pain

17:54:17 shinmera What's going wrong with it?

17:54:35 suntmc intel, amd, motherboard makers being very dumb

17:54:45 suntmc and also form factors

17:55:20 suntmc like, ECC is mostly used in server hardware, so size is not much of a concern. But I don't want to have a tower or rack. it's gotta be ITX

17:55:36 suntmc there's not many ITX sized boards with ECC compatibility

17:55:58 shinmera Ah

17:56:05 suntmc you can forget about older stuff, as it's either hard to get (mostly MBs) or stupidly expensive for how old it is

17:56:29 suntmc then, Intel has ECC support in all their current (and last gen) Core i chips, so 12th gen and 13th gen

17:56:45 suntmc which sounds nice on paper. but it only works on W680 chipset boards

17:57:11 suntmc (note, the memory controller is built into the CPU, there's no good reason for normal Z790 boards to not support it, except intel says no)

17:57:54 suntmc there is exactly one W680 ITX board. From AsRock Industrial. They don't sell it here. nor has anyone ever really seen one for purchase despite it having been released in march 2022

17:58:11 shinmera :thunk:

17:58:39 suntmc Intel's new server platform with the W790 chipset replaces it, so there's little to no chance for these boards to still appear here

17:58:56 suntmc the W790 is a different socket and the cheapest CPU for those is >1k.- so fuck that

17:59:13 shinmera lmao yikes

17:59:19 suntmc then there's AMD. All their ryzen CPUs have ECC support since the first generation, which is pretty neat

17:59:23 shinmera do those cpus all have AVX512 on it or summat

17:59:32 suntmc the new ones for W790, yes

17:59:56 suntmc tbf, 12th gen core i also had it until intel disabled it with a microcode update

18:00:07 suntmc (it never had it officially though)

18:00:43 suntmc so, back to AMD. Their CPUs support ECC, but this depends on the MB manufacturer to 'enable' it, as the support is not enforced

18:01:15 suntmc now, there's lots of AM4 boards where it just isn't clear if ECC actually works or if it's just 'supported' as in 'it boots, but does not make use of ECC'

18:01:30 suntmc and then, there's boards that flat out don't boot with ECC

18:02:18 suntmc next is the fact that APUs from AMD, so CPUs with an integrated gpu (which i kinda need, as i'm gonna need the ONLY PCIe slot for something else) do not support ECC

18:02:33 suntmc UNLESS you buy their Ryzen Pro APUs

18:02:52 suntmc those are mostly sold to OEMs though and are kinda very expensive

18:03:03 suntmc even though they're not even that good

18:03:14 shinmera Have you.... asked Dalco? lol

18:03:49 suntmc now, Ryzen 7000 also supports ECC, but apparently it's up to the MB manufacturers again to enable support for it

18:04:13 suntmc Asus said they support it, but people say ECC functionality isn't enabled despite it being enabled in BIOS

18:04:29 suntmc ASRock actually removed ECC from their techspecs after the fact which is weird

18:05:19 suntmc now AMD has released their AGESA bios 1.0.0.5 (like, a few weeks ago) which apparently fixed the ECC stuff and now it works even on ASRock boards despite them saying they don't support it. (But they have the option listed in the manual)

18:05:55 suntmc shinmera: i actually considered asking dalco, but since asrock industrial does not officially have any partners in switzerland, i thought it was kinda pointless

18:06:12 suntmc also, a 1+ year old server board is gonna be hella expensive

18:06:28 shinmera :shrug: could just throw them an email about the ECC ISX in general. Maybe they know something.

18:06:39 shinmera err ITX

18:06:52 suntmc i've already seen most of the things that are available

18:07:06 suntmc ITX is a very niche form factor.

18:07:36 suntmc most people just don't bother with ECC and go consumer grade. like even most NAS from Synology and QNAP don't have ECC

18:07:56 suntmc i probably don't need it either, but i dunno man

18:08:01 shinmera yeah not surprised

18:08:42 suntmc so far, going ecc vs not is like a matter of 100-200.- difference

18:09:07 suntmc and at around 2000.- for the entire thing, it doesn't make much of a difference anymore

18:11:02 suntmc but yeah, it'll probably take quite a while until i will actually consider buying anything

18:11:07 suntmc furniture is more important

18:12:02 shinmera I would agree, yes :)