16:38:25
shinmera
Okey, I've re-implemented what was shown in the diagram. Haven't tested it yet though, so absolutely no idea if it's gonna sound any good lol.
18:19:54
selwyn
ACTION just made ramen for the first time
18:50:04
selwyn
i am also planning to set up a lichat server of my own
18:50:25
selwyn
any tips would be appreciated
19:12:40
selwyn
having a place to chat with people i know who don´t want to use discord
19:19:23
shinmera
can just make a channel on this server
19:41:57
shinmera
But if you want your own server anyway, the instructions are in the server's repo.
19:42:20
shinmera
Gnuxie: Damn, thanks for the sponsorship? You sure you can afford that?
19:59:13
selwyn
i suspect that gnuxie is making that london money by now
20:38:48
Colleen
meow, I am making london money without being in london it's good
20:38:48
Gnuxie
meow, I am making london money without being in london it's good
20:39:08
Colleen
i hope it stays this way
20:39:08
Gnuxie
i hope it stays this way
20:39:16
shinmera
I certainly hope so, too!
20:39:38
shinmera
I feel like even if I did make London money I'd still be more stingy about it than you, so thank you very much indeed!
20:43:43
Colleen
I'm kinda stingy too, I don't know what to say really haven't thought about having to answer for it but you I feel like you deserve more
20:43:43
Gnuxie
I'm kinda stingy too, I don't know what to say really haven't thought about having to answer for it but you I feel like you deserve more
20:44:03
shinmera
Heh, alright. Well, thank you again.
20:44:34
shinmera
I feel like paying employees has helped a lot to get me to be less stingy, at least when it comes to spending the money on other people, rather than on stuff for myself.
20:45:56
Colleen
for me i've always spent more on others than myself but idk
20:45:56
Gnuxie
for me i've always spent more on others than myself but idk
20:46:46
shinmera
I think spending it on other people is definitely the best way to spend money at all.
20:47:08
shinmera
Since, you know, everyone could use more money, so it's kinda like a hand-made socialism kinda deal :v
20:48:13
selwyn
i don´t think london money is as much as zurich money lol
20:48:26
selwyn
but yes it´s nice to spend on other people
20:48:36
shinmera
I'm not making Zurich money either.
20:48:51
Colleen
hand made socialism sounds pretty cosy
20:48:51
Gnuxie
hand made socialism sounds pretty cosy
20:48:51
selwyn
and i am not making any money :o
20:49:48
Colleen
in a way socialism has to be hand made but that's probably getting a bit political
20:49:49
Gnuxie
in a way socialism has to be hand made but that's probably getting a bit political
20:50:51
shinmera
selwyn: any prospects for money making?
20:51:15
selwyn
my phd funding ran out in march
20:51:22
shinmera
Gnuxie: distributed/anarchistic socialism, yeah. Centralised is too prone to corruption and all the same follies as capitalism.
20:51:42
selwyn
i am getting towards the final stages, but for now i am living off my savings at home
20:52:26
selwyn
after i am done, there are a few opportunities
20:52:46
shinmera
How long do you still have?
20:53:19
selwyn
if i am not finished by march, then questions will be asked
20:53:40
selwyn
i would be really surprised if i am not done by new years
20:54:32
Colleen
i hope it goes well for you selwyn
20:54:32
Gnuxie
i hope it goes well for you selwyn
20:54:44
selwyn
turning trial-vr into a startup is something i could do but it is moving further down the list of options
20:54:50
selwyn
gnuxie: thanks i think it will
20:54:56
selwyn
i am getting my arse into gear
20:55:12
selwyn
this paper we are working on is upsetting me a lot, but we are close to getting it done
20:55:19
selwyn
after that i can simply write my thesis
20:56:14
Colleen
i dunno how phd's work is it normal to write lots of papers at the same time?
20:56:14
Gnuxie
i dunno how phd's work is it normal to write lots of papers at the same time?
20:56:29
shinmera
selwyn: As much as I think trial-vr is cool, I heavily recommend against trying a startup with it.
20:57:02
shinmera
Because I project that it is infinitely unlikely you'll end up anywhere except at bankruptcy.
20:57:02
selwyn
gnuxie: usually you write one at a time
20:57:24
shinmera
But because the market is just such a horrible place.
20:57:42
selwyn
but it is generally considered very good to have written, say, three papers by the time you finish
20:57:58
selwyn
shinmera: well, that is reassuring to hear, because i have made similar calculations :)
20:58:32
selwyn
i suspect that under the right conditions money is quite easy to get, though
20:58:38
shinmera
Unless someone else can bankroll my employees for me I will end up bankrupt. And I'm "just" making a game, rather than trying the even harder thing of doing a niche vr tool.
20:58:41
selwyn
this is what my ´money friends´ tell me
20:59:10
shinmera
That's like saying "if you remove the hard parts it's easy"
20:59:28
shinmera
Money havers are dumb idiot assholes that don't understand their own economics.
20:59:32
selwyn
what i mean is, venture capital is everywhere and not that hard to get
20:59:47
selwyn
not really an option if you are doing a game though
21:00:00
shinmera
You can get venture capital for a game company too
21:00:21
shinmera
But navigating that sphere is a horrendous act of torture in itself.
21:00:45
shinmera
I hate tech bros, and I hate venture capitalists
21:01:43
Colleen
naa it's perfectly understandable
21:01:43
Gnuxie
naa it's perfectly understandable
21:04:12
shinmera
There was this talk we had about how to enter the US game market
21:04:26
shinmera
And while listening to it I had a really strange experience I don't recall ever having before
21:04:53
shinmera
namely that just listening to what they were saying about it made me want to throw up, physically
21:05:16
shinmera
The entire social sphere and mannerisms around venture capital, startups, and all of that literally makes me sick.
21:06:45
Colleen
yeah that sounds about right tbh
21:06:45
Gnuxie
yeah that sounds about right tbh
21:10:26
selwyn
i am disappointed that vc/rich people´s money gets spent on such dumb things
21:10:36
selwyn
is that what capitalism has come to
21:10:43
selwyn
i thought it was meant to be more impressive, somehow
21:12:22
selwyn
quantum computing is getting money thrown at it by everyone, which means that there are actual job opportunities in companies now
21:12:28
selwyn
i am happy that is an option
21:12:49
shinmera
Have you ever seen rich people on twitter?
21:12:59
shinmera
The vast majority are insanely stupid people.
21:13:17
shinmera
Idk if they were stupid to begin with or if the money made them stupid, or both
21:13:21
shinmera
But it's a sight to behold.
21:14:03
selwyn
twitter can be misleading as you get fake twitter rich people
21:14:32
shinmera
I'm talking about Jeff Bozo and Elongated Muskrat and co.
21:14:51
Colleen
you can't spend money on people below you cos then who's gonna do what you want
21:14:52
Gnuxie
you can't spend money on people below you cos then who's gonna do what you want
21:15:35
Colleen
when they go to the one place that has yet to be corrupted by capitalism and ruin it
21:15:35
Gnuxie
when they go to the one place that has yet to be corrupted by capitalism and ruin it
21:16:10
Colleen
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Sq1Nr58hM
21:16:10
Gnuxie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Sq1Nr58hM
21:16:25
selwyn
i suspect that, in order to be really rich and keep hold of your riches
21:16:29
selwyn
you have to be safe/boring
21:16:35
selwyn
and being stupid can help with that
21:16:50
shinmera
you have to be an absolute asshole
21:18:44
shinmera
Gnuxie: https://twitter.com/dasharez0ne/status/1402021061152157702 and https://twitter.com/dasharez0ne/status/1417476233529593870
21:20:11
selwyn
ham the chimp went further into space, and for longer
21:20:22
selwyn
and contributed more to science/humanity
21:21:33
shinmera
What *I* don't understand is that there's hundreds of thousands of people ready to throw themselves under the bus to defend these pricks
21:23:37
shinmera
Though I guess people are literally indoctrinated to believe that having money equals success, so maybe defending these assholes is a defense mechanism to avoid cognitive dissonance
21:27:49
Colleen
but muh uhh saving humanity
21:27:49
Gnuxie
but muh uhh saving humanity
21:28:43
selwyn
i think in the case of elon, he is attractive because he has the vibe of someone trying to do cool 20th century shit
21:30:20
Colleen
ahh ok, i forget people believe the hardwork thing
21:30:20
Gnuxie
ahh ok, i forget people believe the hardwork thing
21:30:33
shinmera
Nah, he has the vibe of "he's 'one of us' doing all the things *I* wish I could do!!"
21:30:42
shinmera
By 'one of us' I mean 'really stupid'
21:31:17
shinmera
Or at least that's what I figure from the defences I've seen. As in that he's "aloof" and "approachable" and he "doesn't take it serious"
21:31:34
shinmera
the opposite of what you want from very rich and influential people
21:31:51
shinmera
but I guess the power fantasy is too alluring
21:32:50
shinmera
Gnuxie: I saw some very interesting videos recently that explain the hard work phenomenon. Let me see if I can find them again real quick
21:33:38
shinmera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmMJbwE8j98 is one
21:34:31
shinmera
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agzNANfNlTs is the other
21:34:40
shinmera
both channels are very good in general
21:35:11
Colleen
oof these are some long videos
21:35:11
Gnuxie
oof these are some long videos
21:35:24
shinmera
They're both like half an hour
21:35:28
Colleen
yeah I've watched a fair bit of Innuendo Studios before
21:35:28
Gnuxie
yeah I've watched a fair bit of Innuendo Studios before
21:35:46
shinmera
I watched this recently and enjoyed every second of it : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xb-DtICmPTY
21:35:56
shinmera
half an hour ain't even long!!
21:36:18
Colleen
i guess you're right then
21:36:18
Gnuxie
i guess you're right then
21:36:41
shinmera
The length of a video doesn't matter when the content is good!
21:38:08
Colleen
thanks for sending them, i'll probably watch them soon
21:38:08
Gnuxie
thanks for sending them, i'll probably watch them soon
21:38:26
Colleen
i should probably go to sleep cos i'll need to be awake in 6 hours
21:38:26
Gnuxie
i should probably go to sleep cos i'll need to be awake in 6 hours
21:39:58
Colleen
thanks, good luck with everything you two!
21:39:59
Gnuxie
thanks, good luck with everything you two!
21:43:01
selwyn
i have noticed an irritating trend ´sigma male grindset´ which is i assume the same kind of thing
21:43:05
selwyn
though the name is amusing
21:51:20
shinmera
Imagine being such a shell of a being that you define yourself through work
21:53:06
selwyn
i think it´s sad that (i assume) 17 year old kids end up buying into it
21:53:32
shinmera
it's even sadder that 30 year olds buy into it imo.
21:56:13
shinmera
oh god *I* am gonna be a 30 year old soon enough
21:57:41
selwyn
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/085/633/a75.jpg
21:57:46
selwyn
you need to find a new circle in time then
21:58:08
shinmera
We do discuss pissing in sinks, so I think I'm safe
21:59:23
shinmera
anyway, I better be off too
22:00:05
selwyn
remember to rise and grind at 6am
22:00:23
shinmera
I don't remember the last time I've been awake at 6
22:00:34
shinmera
probably sometime during high school?
22:01:08
selwyn
i had to travel an hour to school, needed to get up so early
22:01:39
shinmera
I went to school by bike most of the time. Downhill in winter at -15C sometimes :shepface:
22:03:27
shinmera
Nah, uphill is fine since you're gonna warm up.
22:03:38
shinmera
Downhill is just freezing air blasting your face
22:04:03
shinmera
Anyway, don't have to worry about that no more thanks global warming
22:06:42
selwyn
ACTION enjoys the flooding
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