libera/commonlisp - IRC Chatlog

8:35:14 Pirx good morning

9:01:22 danse-nr3 morning Pirx

9:16:29 Inline morning

9:17:14 beach Hello Inline.

9:19:25 beach danse-nr3: Are you new here? I don't recognize your nick.

9:38:22 danse-nr3 yes i am new. Have been lurking in #lisp for a while, then went through libera's channels' list and found this. Nice to meet you all

9:38:35 beach Great! Welcome!

9:38:41 danse-nr3 cheers

9:46:45 beach danse-nr3: Are you currently using Common Lisp for something interesting?

9:49:03 danse-nr3 not really. Common lisp is the next language i would like to learn, but it might take a long time before i will have resources to invest in a new language. But i do a lot of functional programming, so i am interested in spotting anything related in lisp

9:50:11 beach I see. You might want to know about #clschool if you are a newbie.

9:50:29 danse-nr3 i will join that, cheers

9:51:14 danse-nr3 (funny, i am at the beach right now)

9:51:21 danse-nr3 do you know Christian Pape?

9:51:35 beach I don't think so.

10:07:04 Pirx #clschool has a shortcomming: not having "lisp" in the name with all the letters

10:07:25 Pirx if you do //list lisp it won't show

12:35:11 karlosz_ ** NICK karlosz

12:52:02 bjorkintosh thanks beach. I was playing around with it last night.

12:52:15 beach Oh, good!

12:52:36 beach There is a #clim channel with lots of helpful people participating.

12:52:49 bjorkintosh been there for ages already.

12:57:31 beach I think I knew that. Sorry.

12:59:52 bjorkintosh no worries. I just don't say much there.

13:00:33 bjorkintosh Its on my list of things within the CL world to learn properly.

13:02:50 beach Sounds like a good plan.

13:04:17 bjorkintosh yes quite. Make Lisp Machines Great Again!

13:05:01 beach Sort of, yes.

13:08:35 bjorkintosh I'd like that very much.

14:01:56 beach bjorkintosh: But we need to do better. At the time, there were no Internet threats to speak of.

14:05:16 bjorkintosh well of course. it was a machine of its era.

15:29:56 lispmacs[work] hi, is ANSI common lisp available as an INFO reference manual (or similar?) I was trying to learn common lisp and SBCL at the same time, but the included SBCL doesn't document the ANSI functions, apparently

15:30:33 lispmacs[work] ideally I like to just work through an info manual from inside Emacs

15:32:24 edgar-rft lispmacs[work]: short answer: yes, more than one :-) but must dig for the links, may take some minutes

15:33:09 lispmacs[work] edgar-rft: okay, thanks

15:33:22 Gleefre AFAIK sbcl does provide docstrings for most symbols in CL package. You can use DESCRIBE or DOCUMENTATION from the repl to see them.

15:33:59 Gleefre Like this: (describe '+) or (documentation '+ 'function)

15:34:07 bjorkintosh lispmacs[work], the hyperspec?

15:35:29 lispmacs[work] the one at lispworks.com? is it only available as a Web page?

15:35:46 lispmacs[work] I was hoping for an info manual

15:36:19 lispmacs[work] like, e.g., the elisp reference manual

15:36:37 bjorkintosh in the interim, you can browse the hyperspec via the built-in emacs browser.

15:36:44 bjorkintosh it's just another buffer.

15:36:52 bjorkintosh I understand what you mean, however.

15:37:07 lispmacs[work] bjorkintosh: I don't think EWW handles completion and navigation as nicely

15:37:32 lispmacs[work] helm mode with info manuals is pretty nice

15:37:55 lispmacs[work] but I could give that a try if that is the only option

15:39:13 mfiano https://github.com/ruricolist/dpans2texi (in case it wasn't seen in #sbcl)

15:39:55 bjorkintosh lispmacs[work], https://www.lispforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=3967

15:41:31 edgar-rft lispmacs[work]: the search engine word is "dpans2texi.el", there are severaly github accounts holding the source code but there were ready-made info files for download somewhere, also old versions of GCL (GNU Common Lisp) came with info manuals of dpans3 (last draft version before the final ANSI spec)

15:43:07 lispmacs[work] hmm, wonder what is the fastest route here. Looks like GCL is available as a package on my system

15:43:28 bjorkintosh have you tried the dpans2texi process already?

15:44:08 lispmacs[work] bjorkintosh: no. Is the script fully contained or am I going to need to hunt down dpans sources?

15:44:32 bjorkintosh It should just work. (famous last words)

15:45:03 lispmacs[work] ...80 minutes later, still trying to get the script to work...

15:45:34 lispmacs[work] I saw that link to just download the info files but looks like the 10 year old FTP link is dead

15:46:43 bjorkintosh I did it recently and thought the process should be automatic as I was doing it.

15:46:55 bjorkintosh I'd have to retrace my steps.

15:47:28 edgar-rft lispmacs[work]: Xach Beane's Github account has all TeX sources plus the scripts if you really want to build it yourself -> https://github.com/xach/dpans

15:47:30 bjorkintosh had the exact same thought: the hyperspec should be an info file in emacs.

15:48:44 edgar-rft this is what the CLiki says -> https://www.cliki.net/dpans2texi

15:49:20 lispmacs[work] Okay, well, I think I'll just give this dpans2texi thing a try and see what happens

15:50:12 edgar-rft error: the link to Xach Beane's Github accounts has only the TeX sources :-(

16:00:19 edgar-rft here's a Github link with texinfo sources compiled from the TeX files, but I have no idea about the quality -> https://github.com/krdzo/ansicl

16:07:27 edgar-rft the GCL info files as tar-gz archive, containing the dpans3 spec -> http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/gcl/gcl.info.tgz

16:18:56 ldb good morning

16:20:03 lispmacs[work] edgar-rft: thanks

16:21:21 ldb The lispworks one can be downloaded and I have installed a copy

16:22:18 ldb it has very good glossary which I think is better than info doc

16:23:23 bjorkintosh ldb, how did you install it?

16:25:13 ldb bjorkintosh: download from http://www.lispworks.com/downloads/documentation.html then I just unpack it to /usr/local/share/doc/HyperSpec/

16:25:54 ldb and put a bookmark in browser that point to the local copy

16:26:27 lispmacs[work] okay, thanks

16:27:54 ldb if you like u can also use local search tools like namazu to index the files

16:33:08 lispmacs[work] okay, I'm using the gcl info files from inside emacs