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1:46:50 jcowan https://llthw.common-lisp.dev/ <-- Learn Lisp the Hard Way

1:48:31 dbotton hayley thanks seems to work for me. thanks

3:44:36 mathrick does Trivia have lambda-list matchers (ie. a drop-in replacement for DESTRUCTURING-BIND, where I can use stuff like &OPTIONAL and &KEY)?

3:45:14 mathrick I'm looking at its wiki, and so far I don't see an obvious way to do that

3:45:46 Bike not a trivia expert, but i expect that would need some real complicated semantics to handle lambda list variables that are subpatterns

3:46:33 mathrick I also don't see a way to replicate (destructuring-bind (head &rest tail) somelist)

3:47:05 Bike aren't there cons patterns?

3:47:59 mathrick I think so?

3:48:14 mathrick Bike: possibly, but I'm looking at Trivia to replace my spaghetti piles of D-B / M-V-B / LET, so it's kinda a letdown if it doesn't have a way to do what D-B already does...

3:49:07 mathrick I might go with metabang-bind, since it seems to have a syntax that's much more like the CL I already know, even though Trivia is the well-maintained community standard

3:53:50 mathrick oh, I think it has the LAMBDA-LIST pattern, which is that

7:28:30 Dynom_ ** NICK Guest7666

9:59:46 Josh_2 Good morning COO people

10:19:35 SR-71` Good morning

10:32:08 Josh_2 I haven't written code for about a week or so

10:32:12 Josh_2 I think I have forgotten

10:34:04 Josh_2 I'm feeling the need for some creative destruction

11:00:23 SR-71` Why not read books

11:00:57 SR-71` What, what is "creative destruction" ?

11:15:25 flip214 mathrick: I believe trivia support (head . tail)

12:58:06 Lord_of_Life_ ** NICK Lord_of_Life

13:26:05 Guest53 Hi dbotton, not sure if there is a chat room for Clog but I have a small bug report. `with-clog-create` is interning "CREATE-" function binding symbols in the current package. This is a problem when not `USE`ing Clog in a package as the respective clog functions aren't bound in that case. Line 56 of clog-utilities.lisp is the relevant location.

13:26:06 Guest53 Adding "CLOG to the optional package argument should do the trick.

13:33:32 aeth no, that will work until the edge case of someone using something like "modern mode" for symbols, where it will also fail

13:33:59 aeth so to avoid hitting into another edge case it would have to be (symbol-name 'foo) not "FOO"

13:34:39 aeth (because it might be "foo")

13:34:59 acma Does CLHS not specify sockets? Scheme seems to have sockets in its reference.

13:35:39 acma What's the reason for omitting sockets from CLHS?

13:36:13 beach I am pretty sure sockets are omitted from most language specifications.

13:36:26 aeth hmm, my bad... before someone points it out, it's (symbol-name '#:foo)

13:38:00 beach I should have said "from most programming-language standards".

13:42:34 beach acma: What Scheme reference has sockets in it?