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8:38:26 jackdaniel thanks

8:49:37 borodust jmercouris: no probs! i have some bodges, yes :)

8:49:37 Colleen borodust: drmeister said at 2021.10.11 20:25:12: Thanks - I wasn't sure if I was just not thinking about it properly

11:08:13 skeemer hello all, i am quite new to common lisp, i was wondering why most of the people uses sbcl, and what are the reasons to prefer it to clisp ?

11:09:18 hayley SBCL compiles to machine code, so it is (almost?) always faster, and it is more maintained.

11:09:46 skeemer okok thanks

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12:38:09 icer My working remote slime/swank debugging broke after trying to update sbcl to the downloaded latest from Ubuntu 20.04's default. I've tried reverting, recompiling, but now it's always complaining about swank-io-package stuff missing and swank indentation things missing. Any ideas?

12:38:51 icer Slime itself is working. The slime-connect fails with errors.

12:39:44 icer Or is there a better place to ask?

12:42:50 Bike have you updated swank too? maybe it needs changes for newer sbcl

12:43:25 jackdaniel remove ~/.slime

12:44:05 icer I tried a fresh load of the latest quicklisp swank.

12:44:21 icer jack: I'll try now

12:45:55 beach icer: You can use completion to get the full IRC handle of the person you are addressing.

12:51:34 icer jackdaniel: Ok, I can connect to the binary running on my local machine, but to the same binary over ssh port forwarding, the same errors occur.

12:51:43 icer beach: thanks

12:55:50 icer jackdaniel: I md5summed the binary to confirm its the same. There is no ~/.slime on the remote system.

13:01:17 _death jackdaniel: when I think of DO, I tend to recall the little box on PG's ANSI Common Lisp, I think with the headline "The point of DO".. in it he quotes from the paper "The Evolution of Lisp"

13:02:27 hayley DO or DO not, there is no TRY.

13:03:26 icer I still connect and get the "Can't locate module: SWANK-IO-PACKAGE::SWANK-INDENTATION", which is odd considering it's the same binary.

13:03:56 _death the quotation is about how iteration over a single variable is often not very useful on its own, and how DO allows iterating multiple variables, and consequently the DO body can often be empty

13:06:59 _death icer: maybe the swank fasls are some other place on the remote machine

13:07:40 _death icer: a while ago I added a restart to be able to continue from this error, btw.. https://github.com/death/slime/commit/9f5cc8c7cf042f821ee3f2c838c6b617e8aeaf6d

13:09:53 icer _death: nice retart idea. So, are fasls not built into the image? My Makefile uses (asdf:make). Or is swank something I need to manually quickload on the remote?

13:10:31 _death icer: if you load swank into the image prior to building it, it's there

13:11:52 _death icer: you should also make sure to load the contribs you use

13:12:07 akater[m] jackdaniel: Your post did clarify DO for me.

13:14:56 icer _death: I don't do an explicit load, just a ql:quickload of the project's asd system, then build, which shouldn't call the entrypoint. At one point I tried adding --eval '(swank-loader:init)' before the build command.

13:15:03 mfiano _death: Ah yes, Norvig uses the empty body form a few times in PAIP

13:15:16 mfiano I practically learned DO by reading his code :)

13:15:25 icer _death: It didn't seem to help, but I'll add it back in.

13:17:21 _death icer: can also try to pass :load-contribs t to init

13:33:57 icer _death: It takes a couple minute to deploy - slow connection. In the meantime I tried sshing in to the remote and trying to emacs/slime locally on the remote and got a swank version mismatch 24 vs 26.1, which apt tells me 24 is on the remote, and I know 26.1 is local to my dev machine. May be the issue.

13:33:59 pjb hayley: (defmacro try (expression) `(ignore-errors ,expression))

13:36:57 _death icer: probably shouldn't use apt to manage swank ;)

13:41:34 icer _death: :)

13:43:36 icer _death: how do I make slime recompile after I patch the file for your restart? I did a slime C-c C-c, and compiled, but that didn't seem to be enough.

13:46:06 _death icer: my core rebuilding script removes ~/.slime/fasl prior to making the core

13:46:46 icer _death: odd, the swank-loader line doesn't seem to have an effect, the remote is still looking for the v24 swank rather than what I tried to build into the image.

13:51:13 _death icer: did you apt remove slime

13:51:55 _death I dunno what the distribution-specific packages do exactly

13:53:38 icer _death: yes, I forgot to "purge" it, I'll see if that works. I've also quickloaded swank, but that didn't work.