libera/clasp - IRC Chatlog

22:31:19 yitzi drmeister: how did you install quicklisp?

23:01:02 yitzi DId they maybe run scando-apptainer-install? That one is old and has a reference to /home/cando

0:21:32 drmeister Hi

0:22:12 drmeister I've been simplifying the installation each time I do it and this student got the simplest installation and it looks like it was too simple.

0:22:49 drmeister Let's see here - what did I do...

0:23:23 yitzi You can't install quicklisp during the apptainer build.

0:23:46 drmeister Right - it's not that - hang on...

0:24:07 yitzi And you should make sure HOME is pointing to the right place. Also check CLASP_QUICKLISP directory to see if that is defined.

0:25:02 drmeister I use build-cando-apptainer-arch - the cando.sif file that is assembled works fine for me and for the students that I installed this on a couple of months ago.

0:25:41 drmeister I set up a .ssh/config entry that reads like this...

0:25:45 drmeister https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/h9jOOREx/

0:26:24 drmeister I tell them whenever I tell them to get the latest cando they use `ssh owlsnest-update` and it updates everything for them.

0:26:51 drmeister For the new student, JR - I did nothing extra for him. I just told him to use `ssh owlsnest-update`

0:27:13 yitzi That does not install quicklisp. What did they do to install quicklisp?

0:27:44 drmeister The `~meister/share/owlsnest-update` is a script on owlsnest that they are running when they use `ssh owlsnest-update`.

0:27:52 drmeister Here is the owlsnest-update script...

0:28:59 drmeister https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/sTnC6uvD/

0:29:48 drmeister So it must be the last line, the `cando-apptainer-install` that installs quicklisp.

0:30:45 yitzi What is CANDO_DATA?

0:32:08 drmeister Checking - they use another script to run cando and jupyter-lab. Looking for where CANDO_DATA is defined.

0:33:37 yitzi Did you ever have that last line do scando-apptainer-install instead? Like if you were playing around with snapshots?

0:35:13 drmeister CANDO_DATA isn't defined in my apptainer and I don't need it to get these quicklisp systems that live in `/home/cando/common-lisp/**`

0:36:21 yitzi This line in scando-apptainer-install creates a ASDF registry entry https://github.com/cando-developers/cando/blob/d83c7013dc293304a056948aefba28cfffd020dd/scando-apptainer-install#L23

0:36:54 yitzi I'd have them look to see if they have the file ~/.config/common-lisp/source-registry.conf.d/apptainer.conf and delete it if they do

0:37:21 yitzi We don't need it now.

0:39:28 drmeister That looks like what I need. I have that and I guess the older students have it because I may have used scando-apptainer-install on them in the past.

0:39:42 drmeister JR won't have it because I used cando-user-install on him.

0:40:09 drmeister He doesn't have it and his quicklisp can't fine `/home/cando/common-lisp/**`. What should he be using?

0:40:19 drmeister can't find.

0:40:47 yitzi Gotcha. If that is it, then just add this to cando-apptainer-install https://github.com/cando-developers/cando/blob/d83c7013dc293304a056948aefba28cfffd020dd/scando-apptainer-install#L20-L27

0:41:46 yitzi Manually just make the file ~/.config/common-lisp/source-registry.conf.d/apptainer.conf and put this in it (:tree "/home/cando/common-lisp/")

0:42:07 drmeister So I should fix cando-apptainer-install and have them invoke that.

0:42:28 yitzi In the future yes. You can manually create the file also.

0:42:42 drmeister I'm all about the future.

0:43:55 yitzi Thats a quote from the movie Logan Lucky.

0:58:19 drmeister I was missing the source-registry.conf.d setup.

0:59:09 drmeister I added it and I'm rebuilding the apptainer. Thank you.

1:00:28 yitzi You are welcome.

1:51:59 paulapatience bike: Have you ever encountered weird behavior with DEFTYPE and feature tests?

1:52:37 paulapatience I just found what must be a bug, and it seems to affect Clasp and ECL. I assume the root cause is similar.

1:52:39 paulapatience https://github.com/s-expressionists/Quaviver/commit/7ac92c96a341e60f3e6ef3709a9b716a59afbeaf

1:53:23 paulapatience Basically Clasp and ECL detect the wrong type somehow when the feature tests are inside the DEFTYPE

1:56:42 paulapatience The warning on Clasp looks like this: https://plaster.tymoon.eu/view/4461#4461

2:32:28 bike that's uh... very strange. feature tests are resolved by the reader, and the reader doesn't know anything about deftype.

2:32:36 bike you said ECL also has this?

2:32:51 paulapatience Yes

2:33:01 bike with a different message i assume, since i wrote that one

2:33:05 paulapatience Yes

2:33:10 paulapatience However, hold off on debugging for a bit

2:33:17 bike or karlosz did, whatever

2:33:22 paulapatience I'm encountering a similar issue in a slightly different situation

2:33:29 paulapatience Which might be my fault

2:33:36 paulapatience Let me try investigating a bit more

2:34:47 bike alrighty

3:12:40 paulapatience bike: Ok, it was a problem on my side after all

3:13:15 paulapatience I was pushing a feature in the wrong place. I guess Clasp and ECL were loading the packages in a different order.

3:32:51 bike ah k, cool. that seemed like it was going to be a real annoying bug