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10:49:56
Colleen
<selwyn> any recommendations for clients on windows/linux? i like a graphical client
10:50:03
Colleen
<shinmera> weelichat has a bunch of problems still, as you might have gathered from the discussions here.
10:50:44
Colleen
<shinmera> uuuh, weechat itself is cli-only. it has a bridge with which you can then use a graphical client like glowing bear.
10:58:12
Colleen
<selwyn> plan is to have weechat running on my server and tunnel in with one of the clients
11:00:37
Colleen
<shinmera> or, actually, with the ssh extension enabled you can use the basic powershell, too.
11:08:21
SAL9000
selwyn: I'm running weechat on my NAS in tmux, ssh'ing in from Windows via MSYS2 (aka the "modern" MinGW)
11:09:30
SAL9000
ah. can't see membership from the other side. hopefully I can find some time to hack on weelichat again soon
12:44:17
Colleen
<sellers> i am already connected as 'selwyn' through the irc bridge i didn't want a name clash to mess things up
12:51:40
Colleen
<shinmera> though because IRC is dumb you will not be getting messages on your IRC connection that you wrote from another connection.
13:27:44
Colleen
<shinmera> If only someone had time to fix this client's bugs........................................
13:29:19
Colleen
<selwyn> i have decided that if i manage to leave university before i die, it would be nice to do some coding again
13:45:33
Colleen
<shinmera> ech, this laptop is only three years old but I'm already thinking of replacing it
13:46:45
Colleen
<selwyn> i tore it up last week to get at the hard drive, there are ~30 pages of literature review there that would be useful
13:46:56
Colleen
<shinmera> well, this one ain't broke per se, it just sucks. got weird display scum on one one corner that I can't get rid of and the pen stopped working
13:58:41
SAL9000
re hammer and nail job -- ugh that's why I (so far) have never bought a laptop which I can't non-destructively remove the storage from
13:59:09
SAL9000
gave up on "phone shall have an SD card slot" a while back, though, because apparently I can't have that AND dual-SIM...
13:59:50
Colleen
<shinmera> especially with the fucking shit support requests I constantly get from my parents with chinese phones that just flood some new shit on there every few months
14:02:00
Colleen
<shinmera> I don't wanna spend another 2k to get a new laptop already if it's only gonna last me three years
14:04:50
SAL9000
they're quite shiny and lightweight/compact but no active cooling + no maintainability AT ALL
14:06:11
Colleen
<shinmera> I used to get them through a student discount programme while at ETH where prices were reduced by up to 1k, but I'm no longer eligible.
14:09:39
SAL9000
selwyn: god knows. look into bitlbee and I think there's another similar thing. also maybe matrix has something?
14:10:45
SAL9000
signal/telegram/etc. really treat you as 2nd class citizen if you don't have a smartphone & phone number you're willing to give them
14:13:42
Colleen
<shinmera> for example the organisational group for our trip to poland and GIC next week is on whatsapp
14:14:21
Colleen
<shinmera> it has a chokehold in many countries because they have a deal with providers to cut the fees
14:15:05
Colleen
<shinmera> evene if they didn't nobody wants to use sms because it lacks all the other features people have gotten used to, especially groups
14:15:49
SAL9000
yeah. not sure what I think about gov't mandating connectors like that, but thumbs up for less proprietary shit
14:16:49
SAL9000
I was thinking e.g. whether it'd prevent a new -- possibly, technically superior -- connector from being developed & deployed
14:17:27
SAL9000
also special cases like weather-sealed devices (USB-C can't really be weather-sealed properly) or tiny devices
14:18:28
Colleen
<selwyn> but they just leak each others group chats anyway. and the 256 member limit is really inconvenient for them
14:18:50
Colleen
<selwyn> you are the government you can make your own damn app to snitch on each other with no member limit if you want
14:20:42
SAL9000
speaking of -- do either of you have experience with hardware 2fa? yubikey and the like
14:21:23
Colleen
<shinmera> from what I read very easy, you just need to have it plugged in or tap it to a receptor depending on what it is.
14:23:20
Colleen
<shinmera> Bought a new mouse for the office since the ole roccat leftover I was using pissed me off all the time. For some reason it's really bad with static electricity and just turns off when I leave the desk in the dry monhts. Gotta replug to get it back.
14:23:41
Colleen
<selwyn> i don't understand how laptops are 2k. are the taxes just high locally or has everything got pricer since i last checked
14:25:26
Colleen
<shinmera> This is specifically so I can draw in the evenings when I'm sitting in bed.
14:26:16
Colleen
<shinmera> Actually gonna have to see how I can get my Kamvas to the conference... I only got hand luggage. Hrm.
14:26:40
Colleen
<shinmera> There's a 2 day game jam at the start of it. Would be bad if we couldn't make any art lol
14:26:57
Colleen
<shinmera> I've only ever gone to conferences with my messenger bag. Never needed anything else.
14:27:47
Colleen
<shinmera> I don't pack a lot of clothes because I can just wash and cycle them at the hotel.
14:28:20
SAL9000
In case someone else is considering the same thing -- looks like gpg/ssh-agent can be passed through to wsl2 in a sane-ish manner; https://snapcraft.ninja/2020/07/30/gpg-ssh-keys-in-wsl2-with-yubikeys/
14:29:41
SAL9000
tbh Win11 might drive me to actually try implementing GPU-passthrough on my desktop
14:32:30
Colleen
<shinmera> 'lichatters' for weird french people that somehow find it and then leave after three messages
14:33:25
Colleen
<shinmera> and then there's 'stevenchan', which is my old tiny circle of friends that I initially made lichat for.
14:36:37
Colleen
<shinmera> SAL9000: by the way, in the time we haven't worked on the weechat client, the server's gained some more abilities
14:38:31
SAL9000
to be clear, I'm talking about the horizontal line that you get when you "come back to" a channel that has unreads in it
14:39:20
SAL9000
I don't remember last-read being available in weechat's api surface but I might be wrong
14:42:13
Colleen
<shinmera> The only problem left to solve is how dependencies are specified and, relatedly, how the project definition infers them from minimal information
14:42:52
Colleen
<shinmera> but once that's in place I can have it discover a project definition, and actually execute a plan to load it in.
15:07:39
Colleen
<shinmera> But I would ultimately like a C module to build my foreign deps in the same chain.
15:09:14
Colleen
<shinmera> if you were connecting to lichat from another client, you wouldn't see it.
15:10:05
Colleen
<shinmera> both of these features are really small things that aren't really necessary, but would bridge the gap between this and something like discord a bit more still.
15:21:06
Colleen
<selwyn> i do like the appeal of simply having something on tmux and it's always an ssh connection away
15:26:40
Colleen
<shinmera> I feel like stuff like maintainer, author, license, etc. are things that don't really belong into a build definition
15:43:41
Colleen
<selwyn> imo risky to assume that all of those things don't belong in a build definition
15:44:19
Colleen
<selwyn> what if you want to do some ci, and if a build fails then the maintainer is emailed
15:50:48
Colleen
<shinmera> but again I feel like it should be smarter and get that info elsewhere, instead of relying on the build system to cover it
15:54:01
Colleen
<selwyn> just realised that doxygen is a play on words combining documentation and oxygen
16:10:30
Colleen
<shinmera> needed something that was stable in the presence of a running system and also stable in the presence of a target machine that's not the source machine
16:13:26
Colleen
<shinmera> given how many of my projects end up as broken unstable messes, I'm not sure how much there is to admire :)