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Wednesday, 28th of July 2021, 21:09:58 UTC
21:11:25
makomo
mfiano: ah i see. guess i'll just install it manually :D
21:27:40
wasamasa
a man, a plan, a scheme
21:31:22
mdhughes
Scheme backwards is almost emacs.
21:43:04
aeth
emacs backwards is almost scam
23:43:50
Josh_2
The append method combination is very nice for applying CSS to webpages
23:57:18
Josh_2
I think this is the first time I have used anything other than the default
0:38:49
jcowan
TinyScheme actually is used for writing malware
0:59:45
moon-child
huh, I bet it's easier to write malware in interpreted languages
0:59:48
moon-child
harder for antivirus to catch
1:01:25
edgar-rft
master quiz question: tell a computer language that has never being used for writing malware
1:01:51
aeth
moon-child: easier to decompile, though
1:02:24
moon-child
not appreciably, if you precompile to bytecode
1:02:32
moon-child
might actually be harder in that case; fewer RE tools than for native
1:04:40
edgar-rft
there might exist computer languages that are malware by design :-)
1:08:23
dash[m]
let's theorize a category of software called "goodware" that always does what the user wants
1:09:23
aeth
a lisp would be really hard to decompile because you might get the source, but you don't get the macros that generated that source
1:09:33
aeth
which can be arbitrarily complex
1:10:03
dash[m]
that's also true of javascript though
1:11:29
edgar-rft
javascriupt is even harder to decompile since left-pad doesn't exist anymore
1:36:34
edgar-rft
let's use HolyC to write sacred programs
1:37:44
jcowan
moon-child: It is indeed easier and quicker, which is important in the mal-adware business.
3:42:06
Josh_2
edgar-rft: the only C worth knowing
5:29:44
xaltsc
wasamasa: which is the reason why we us l
6:21:12
Lord_of_Life_
** NICK Lord_of_Life
6:33:01
pjb
moon-child: not really. run-time antiviruses just look at the accesses (they trap some syscall, etc). They don't care how the program does it, just what it does. static antiviruses would have it just as easy analysing the source than the binary. The only thing is that perhaps they don't bother analysing the sources, notably of "scripting" languages that need to be executed to determine 100% of the semantic.
6:35:50
wasamasa
moon-child: I mean, any custom malware goes undetected at first
6:36:03
wasamasa
moon-child: needs a certain critical mass to get the attention of malware analysts
Thursday, 29th of July 2021, 9:09:58 UTC