libera/#ecl - IRC Chatlog

9:14:25 erru update: after recompiling ecl for the arm-linux platform, it now produced a very smol executable and it want to dynamically link libecl. just as i wanted! big thanks for your support so far jackdaniel :)

9:15:31 jackdaniel sure, I'm glad that it worked

9:15:40 erru same :D

9:15:48 jackdaniel if you work results in something public (a repository, a blog post), then let me know

9:16:00 erru will do

15:16:12 erru i managed to get the library built small enough to fit it onto my hardware and when executing the lisp script on it, it takes just over 6 seconds of startup time :D

15:16:52 erru maybe a long running server application would not care about 6 seconds startup time, but for a oneshot script it seems excessive

15:17:08 erru is there anything that can be done about that?

15:22:07 jackdaniel if you have asdf builtin or required from init script, it takes most startup time

15:22:49 jackdaniel i.e ecl --norc can make it much faster

15:26:40 jackdaniel other than that - no clue. ecl does not dump images, so it must initialize its structs

16:12:17 Visen So whats going on with all of the .d files when ecl is compiling

16:12:30 Visen it seems like there is some custom C preprocessing going on

16:20:04 jackdaniel yes, with dpp (our own preprocessor)

16:20:52 jackdaniel it allows referencing symbols like @'sym-name' and inline lisp strings like @"foo" etc

16:21:14 Visen Aha, so getting nicer syntax

16:21:20 Visen rather than needing to call a function?

16:24:08 jackdaniel yes

16:24:19 Visen Also, any chance we could get "exit" as an alias for "quit" in ecl's CL-USER

16:24:50 jackdaniel therd are both exit and quit with different api

16:25:02 jackdaniel hysterical raisins et al

16:25:33 Visen ah

16:25:53 Visen Well I always try to type "(exit)" to get out of ecl and get errors about undefined functions

16:31:36 jackdaniel the trick is to never get out of ecl ;)

16:50:35 Visen I just absolutely cannot get my program to build a working executable with ecl https://plaster.tymoon.eu/v/7QRDBO24Q#5159

16:51:10 Visen I've tried using ecl's provided asdf, my own vendored asdf, using asdf's make functionality, using ecls asdf:make-build

16:51:18 Visen all of it fails when I launch the program

16:52:55 Visen Here's what happens if I don't load my vendored asdf: https://plaster.tymoon.eu/v/7QTBCB8LM#5160

16:56:19 Visen Here is all my asd files and build scripts https://plaster.tymoon.eu/v/7QV9D1EQ2#5161

16:56:34 Visen I'd really like to support ecl but I can't figure out how to build a working program

17:01:55 jackdaniel Visen: do you use asdf:make-build?

17:02:38 jackdaniel also, is the dependency chain correct? say, perhaps your wyatt-game/core depends on cffi, but cffi is declared as a dependency of wyatt-game/raylib

17:03:05 jackdaniel the conditino about break-locals is irrelevant, the real issue is package with name "cffi"

17:03:34 jackdaniel I see that you do use make-build

17:04:36 jackdaniel to me it seems that cffi is used earlier than it is depended on

17:04:41 jackdaniel (from these snippets)

17:07:49 Visen Hmm, okay let me try adjusting that

17:08:55 Visen Oh wow! That actually worked!

17:10:11 Visen I don't think my wyatt-game/core package uses cffi directly anywhere, so I'm not sure why that would matter

17:10:15 Visen but I guess it does