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Saturday, 13th of August 2022, 6:31:31 UTC
6:32:48
masinter
the online edition is friendlier, the docker edition has been neglected
6:34:22
ultralitsun
I kept trying to run gtk programs (emacs, eclipse) within docker containers, and had stability issues
6:35:22
ultralitsun
with Xquartz on macos and on linux, too.
6:36:50
masinter
stability requires constant vigilence
6:37:48
ultralitsun
I didn't even troubleshoot it
6:38:10
ultralitsun
there's a way to disable the NAT/ip masquerading, maybe that would help
6:38:47
masinter
we run on macs with quartz
6:38:50
ultralitsun
I don't think I tried ssh-tunneling into the contain to run the x-clients
6:39:09
ultralitsun
I don't think I tried ssh-tunneling into the containers* to run the x-clients
6:39:40
masinter
it turned out to be more stable to run Xvnc in the container
6:40:04
masinter
then run a vnc client instead of an X server on the machine with the monitor
6:43:28
masinter
online.interlisp.org runs lisp on an AWS insstance and noVNC client in the browser
6:46:15
ultralitsun
I was just messing around but thought it'd be neat if it was "seriously possible" to "run everything in docker"
6:48:24
masinter
we set up a non-profit and are taking donations to keep it running, but so far the AWS charges are minimal
6:49:11
ultralitsun
did you compare the costs to oracle?
6:49:43
masinter
well, AWS offerss $1k credit to non-profits
6:51:13
masinter
which should cover us with people just playing
7:04:54
ultralitsun
wow this is new to me
7:05:00
ultralitsun
I logged in as a guest
7:05:18
ultralitsun
I feel like I'm in a museum
7:05:27
masinter
if you make an account we'll keep your files
7:05:43
masinter
it's intended as a museum exhibit
7:06:37
ultralitsun
is there a reason it's using west coast time?
7:06:57
masinter
it didn't immplement time zones
7:07:08
ultralitsun
oh it says it's 00:07 right now
7:07:18
masinter
the machine it's running on is in ohio
7:08:01
ultralitsun
idk says it's 13-aug-2022 00:07
7:10:16
masinter
that's right isn't it?
7:10:53
ultralitsun
that's not the time in ohio
7:11:06
ultralitsun
might as well make it UTC lol
7:11:13
Shinmera
Can we get back to Lisp, thanks.
7:16:13
masinter
try (eval 'il:|\\TimeZoneComp|)
7:18:10
masinter
(setf il:|\\TimeZoneComp| 5)
7:22:28
ultralitsun
yeah that did it
7:32:34
ultralitsun
thanks for the interlisp tutorial masinter
7:33:15
masinter
i used lower case setf instead of SETQ to stay within the group's limits
11:40:22
contrapunctus
I've defined a macro similar to `defclass`, except it accepts an additional option. This option accepts multiple forms with a common grammar...is there any way to get tools like eldoc to display hints for this grammar?
16:14:16
masinter
minion: registration, please?
16:14:16
minion
The URL https://gitlab.common-lisp.net/users/sign_up?secret=a08ec88f will be valid until 16:15 UTC.
17:09:22
jcowan
hayley: We don't need no stinking revival! Medley uses CDR-coding because it has a fixed limit on usable memory (and even that is much bigger than the largest possible D-machine)
17:10:18
masinter
CDR-coding was for when RAM was expensive
17:11:22
masinter
i don't know why sybalsky increased the VMem size from 64m to 256m and kept cdr-coding
17:12:21
jcowan
Too hard to rip it out, maybe?
17:12:45
masinter
no, you could just have done (DATATYPE CONS (CAR POINTER) (CDR POINTER))
17:13:20
masinter
or maybe LISTP instead of CONS
17:13:24
jcowan
And then you have to rebuild the image from scratch, which until recently we couldn't do, no?
17:14:13
masinter
THey knew how to build new images, it's just things changed and we didn't really start with a clean delivery of a working system
17:14:56
masinter
"software archeology" -- the pottery was in shards
17:15:29
masinter
i had "Software Archeologist" as my title for a while
17:19:14
jcowan
reminds me of the job titles at Xanadu
17:21:30
jcowan
https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/AZSgaS9n/xanadu-job-titles.txt
17:28:58
White_Flame
I wonder how many of those were self-selected
18:14:30
Lord_of_Life_
** NICK Lord_of_Life
Saturday, 13th of August 2022, 18:31:31 UTC