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21:41:38
Colleen
Clhs: special operator load-time-value http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/s_ld_tim.htm
0:50:01
ivche
hey ppl, so im going through some material, and im trying to make a web server as an exercise
0:51:40
ivche
here is my code, when I start up the server with the (serve) function, and try to visit the server from my browser
0:55:00
kakuhen
depending on what exactly the clisp resource uses, you may be able to get away with using usocket
0:56:13
kakuhen
anyway, assuming your serve function is set up correctly, can you trace the function that gets given that octet sequence
1:03:04
pjb
ivche: you don't specify an :element-type to sockets, so it's character by default, therefore it uses an encoding. Since you didn't specify a common :external-format, it's the default one in each process that is used. Probably not the same.
1:04:13
pjb
ivche: https://koji-kojiro.github.io/sb-docs/build/html/sb-bsd-sockets/generic-function/SOCKET-MAKE-STREAM.html
1:06:16
pjb
ivche: also, 3 is not the ASCII code of a character, but an ASCII control code (for ETX). So it's not a character stream.
1:29:09
ivche
but why does it display this <!DOCTYPE html><html><meta charset="utf-8"><h1>Hello world!</h1></html>
4:45:18
rdrg109
I'm using SBCL and I'm trying to understand how to use ASDF, so I'm reading this manual https://common-lisp.net/project/asdf-install/tutorial/index-save.html#pre. According to that guide, I can load ASDF-INSTALL by executing (require :asdf-install)
4:51:40
rdrg109
asdf-install completely died more than a decade ago, having been completely superseded by Quicklisp.
4:52:28
kakuhen
most people just use quicklisp nowadays, which automatically loads asdf, either the asdf bundled with your implementation, or a custom one supplied by quicklisp itself (if your implementation doesnt offer one)
4:52:40
rdrg109
char: As a clisp newbie, I thought that using ASDF-INSTALL was necessary for insatlling packages, but now with the information provided at https://www.cliki.net/asdf-install, I know that it is not necessary and I should use Quicklisp insterad
4:53:44
kakuhen
I strongly recommend you install quicklisp; instructions are here -> https://www.quicklisp.org/beta/
4:54:24
char
quicklisp is really super. I'm experimenting with using guix to manage common lisp packages too though.
4:54:32
kakuhen
the process looks involved, but essentially you are downloading a lisp file, passing it to sbcl, and then you run (quicklisp-quickstart:install) and (ql:add-to-init-file) so that it loads whenever sbcl runs
4:56:54
rdrg109
I'm trying to install this library https://common-lisp.net/project/lisplab/ and it mentions that it needs to be installed through asdf.
4:58:42
char
quicklisp uses asdf in the background, so if you quicklisp:quickload it, it will work, granted it is on quicklisp repository
5:00:37
White_Flame
install quicklisp ( https://www.quicklisp.org/beta/ ), download the code and unzip it under ~/quicklisp/local-projects/, and then you should be able to (ql:quickload "lisplab")
5:01:17
White_Flame
however if you're just looking for matrices, it'd be better to grab one that quicklisp supports
5:01:42
kakuhen
lapack is some fortran library iirc so id be surprised if it can somehow install it for you
5:02:46
White_Flame
are you looking for general mathematic matrices, or specifically like 3d graphics matrices?
5:04:09
White_Flame
ok, I know less about that, but there is a linkage to octave: https://www.common-lisp.net/project/cl-octave/
5:04:36
rdrg109
White_Flame: How can I get a list of Quicklisp packages. The more information, the better. I only know how to list their names with (ql:system-apropos "")
5:14:12
beach
rdrg109: If you IRC client doesn't have abbrevs, you can use "CL" to mean Common Lisp.
5:20:32
beach
ACTION wonders why anyone would write an IRC client without abbrevs, and why anyone would want to use such a client.
5:21:01
rdrg109
I'm using weechat. Taking into account weechat's extensibility, there probably is a feature for that.
5:21:13
beach
ACTION also wonders why so few people seem to be interested in saving time by using abbrevs.
5:24:04
moon-child
beach: I think that systemic approaches to typing speed (such as stenography) may be worthwhile, but that my prose is not redundant enough that such a thing would be very helpful
5:25:14
beach
moon-child: I am tempted to go to the logs and do a frequency analysis of your utterances. :)
5:31:28
rdrg109
I moved lisplab to ~/quicklisp/local-projects/lisplab and I was able to execute (ql:quickload "lisplab"). The problem is that I'm getting a ton of errors with the following format: is 0.0, not a DOUBLE-FLOAT. [Condition of type SIMPLE-TYPE-ERROR] (complete log: http://0x0.st/-9CT.txt)
5:32:52
rdrg109
Is that normal behavior? Are those types of warnings as happen with g++ and big Qt projects?
5:33:21
moon-child
(also consider cognitive overhead, because obviously gzip will do a number on it)
5:35:38
beach
moon-child: It is interesting that the top one is "the", because my fingers are unable to type "the", and I end up with "teh" instead. So I have an abbrev that corrects that one.
5:36:20
moon-child
'teh' vs 'the' is interesting; I would think 'the' is easier to spell, because it uses alternating hands!
5:39:40
susam_
Interesting discussion. I too make mistype "the" as "teh" often but indeed "the" should be easier to type due to alternating hands.
5:48:45
beach
Also, a per-word analysis is not quite fair since an abbrev can generate several words, as in "first-class global environments", "(admittedly small) family", "Good morning everyone!", "Common Lisp HyperSpec", "Second Climacs", "(first) Climacs", "my favorite coauthor", "Common Lisp", each of which I have an abbrev for.