libera/#commonlisp - IRC Chatlog

21:08:25 aeth I would agree on LOOP, but if you need LOOP's collect/append, there's no real way around it

21:09:02 aeth And there are so, so many times where you need to conditionally collect and/or append (even messier to avoid LOOP if you need to conditionally do either one of the two in the same loop)

21:10:42 jackdaniel collect macros are a thing

21:11:03 jackdaniel and can be used orthogonally to iteration

21:20:16 aeth Yes, but LOOP is a standard way to have an arbitrarily complex conditional collect and/or append into one or more lists that's almost certainly going to be one of the most efficient ways to do it in the implementation.

21:21:05 aeth The downsides being that it's annoying to use logic inside of a LOOP and that it's annoying to handle multiple return values inside of a LOOP

22:09:19 decweb If my collection logic is complex I'll often just use `serapeum:with-collector`, perhaps more than one.

22:09:53 decweb The convenience of `LOOP COLLECT` and should be similar efficiency, but more flexibility at the cost of the WITH form.

22:10:45 decweb (and you can use it in the LOOP of course)

22:28:39 aeth I personally don't pull in nontrivial dependencies (except for the ones so common that everyone will include, such as alexandria and uiop; although alexandria is bordering on trivial)

22:29:51 aeth Basically, "Does it have dependencies?" and "Can I read its entire source code?"

22:31:23 aeth For instance, I've read the entire source of float-features and it doesn't depend on anything big.

2:21:06 lerax I love LOOP

2:21:29 lerax I like to do things like this: https://gist.github.com/ryukinix/6823eb9219a7f240588cadf41457b521

2:53:08 Pixel_Outlaw (In the style of a /Real Scotsman/) A REAL Lisp programmer only needs PROG and GO. :P

3:09:08 glenneth2 Good morning o/

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7:26:14 ck_ is Didier Verna on IRC?

7:36:23 jackdaniel rarely

7:39:37 ck_ I see, thank you