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13:03:36
jackdaniel
a few interesting papers revolving around cl and guis in here: http://lispm.de/docs/Publications/UI/
16:03:24
mrcom
That's quite a bibliography. Is there anything like it on Cliki or another common resource site?
16:09:44
mrcom
I'm looking through one of them right now. From 2008, "An implementation of CLIM Presentation Types," by Timoty Moore.
16:11:01
mrcom
Interesting sentence: "many presentation types do not have `standard-objects' as a supertype".
16:27:23
mrcom
And to get back to the "interesting sentence"... I think he's primarily referring to bultin types, such as REAL?
16:29:16
mrcom
It's a somewhat-common practice to create presentation types that aren't descendants of STANDARD-OBJECT?
16:29:17
jackdaniel
parametrizing standard classes is one, but another is assigning semantical roles to objects
16:29:28
jackdaniel
for example you want to display some arbitrary collection of data in a form of a graph
16:30:48
jackdaniel
you may look into Documentation/Notes/presentatin-types.org remarks if you are interested in more details
16:31:33
mrcom
But aren't they still descended from S-O? Or is there a whole 'nother object type tree?
16:33:07
jackdaniel
consider these two presentations: (define-presentaition-type foo () :inherit-from <my-class>)
16:34:55
mrcom
Ok, it clicked--the _presentation type_ isn't a subtype of S-O. We aren't talking about the underlying class it's wrapping for presentation.
16:43:36
mrcom
No search function on Moore's site, but what a lot of interesting links. Thanks jackdaniel, another time-eating rabbit-hole. :)
16:45:08
contrapunctus
mrcom: thanks, I hadn't received those messages for some reason. (Found them in the log.)
16:51:25
mrcom
"everyone is invited to join in if they can manage to get things running." Gotta love university projects :)
16:53:59
mrcom
jackdaniel: Any objections to posting the link to Moore's site on #lisp? I guess we don't really need to worry about thundering herds...
16:54:29
jackdaniel
afaik it is hosted by Rainer, and I think that this paper is also linked on mcclim website
16:54:46
jackdaniel
either way I don't mind, if they didn't want it to be seen, they would not put it on web
17:04:02
mrcom
Home page says "Don't try to copy the whole site." I think because it's resource-limited, but...
17:12:05
mrcom
Wayback machine has an " Access Forbidden" page for lispm.de, so I guess Rainer doesn't want it archived.
17:13:56
mrcom
Look like he just put that up... 2022-02-23 snapshot exists, 2022-02-28 and on have 403.