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3:34:02
beach
ck_: I think I need to restrict my participation in IRC channels. I may stop my morning greetings.
3:45:26
beach
Yes, I am fine, thanks. And no, you didn't have a part. It is nobody's fault really. It's just the way discussions go on IRC.
3:47:56
ck_
oh yeah, that is what I thought. I feel a similar thing, like I said yesterday when I bowed out of the discussion on surveys. So I can empathize very well
4:00:38
timmy
jackdaniel: I personally would like to learn McCLIM and get back in to common lisp, but I'm running wayland without xwayland now (besides not having enough time to try to port it myself)
4:06:05
contrapunctus
beach: that's unfortunate. I've learned quite a lot from your conversations in #commonlisp.
4:40:58
beach
contrapunctus: I understand, and I know you are not alone. However, it is draining my energy, my time, and my initiative that I need for other things.
5:48:29
jackdaniel
beach: I'm sorry to hear that (especially knowing that I'm often participant of discussions that upset you)
6:01:11
beach
If I have the energy, I might write down my opinions on various subjects as web pages, and just link to a page, rather than arguing over and over again.
6:12:16
beach
The discussions are very messy with participants having contradictory objections, so it is preferable if I state my own position on one coherent page. Then others can discuss the contents if the feel like it.
6:13:48
beach
In fact, that's part of the problem. I can handle a discussion with one person, but not with 3 or 4 simultaneously. I just can't do it.
6:14:22
beach
Then 3 of the 4 objections have already been addressed in the past, sometimes in the very recent past.
6:19:05
ck_
pillton: this is merely my personal opinion, but I find that the kind of person who'd read logs and documentation first wouldn't need to be prompted to do so; and the other kind wouldn't do it even when pressed
6:20:28
pillton
ck_: Oh. It wasn't about reading documentation first. It was more about beach pasting a link to the IRC logs when a discussion repeats itself.
6:21:37
jackdaniel
reading irc logs to track a longer discussion is tedious and messy; also the fact that a discussion 'happened' doesn't mean that there were shared conclusions - a coherent writing is in this respect superior for presenting an opinion (in contrary to excercising it against other opinions)
6:22:57
pillton
If I am honest, I probably found comp.lang.lisp more valuable than IRC in the beginning.
6:23:27
jackdaniel
this is yet another medium with different characteristics :) I need to go,s ee you
6:24:17
contrapunctus
Yesterday I'd asked about a command in one CLIM application accepting a presentation from another CLIM application. Would these applications have to be in the same process for this to happen?
6:28:06
jackdaniel
long story short, as of today it is not possible to accept a presentation from another frame
6:28:38
jackdaniel
definetely something what we'd like to have though. admich had some interesting remarks on the issue tracker, but I don't remember the name of that particular thread
6:39:55
contrapunctus
I suppose it would be silly to try and restructure the 'applications' as panes instead, as a temporary workaround?