libera/#clim - IRC Chatlog

14:15:24 mcoll how does McCLIM compare to CAPI?

14:16:46 jackdaniel capi has commercial support and more familiar approach for people working with other gui systems. most likely also much more polish - people like it very much from what I've heard

14:16:52 jackdaniel that said I've never used capi

14:18:14 mcoll oh! @jackdaniel, was watching your videos last night, thanks so much, learned a lot!

14:19:20 jackdaniel no problem. I want to traditionally remind, that I was outed from my google account so I'm not publishing any more videos on yt (neither have another account).

14:20:11 mcoll oh, that's a pity, what happened?

14:21:00 lisp123 CAPI isn't that great to be honest

14:21:04 jackdaniel some mechanism decided that I'm trying to hack into my account. that's an old story, just saying - never trust google with your data

14:21:14 lisp123 Looks very old (of course very stable & portable & apparently easy to use)

14:23:00 mcoll @lisp123 doesn't CAPI use the native framework available with the system?

14:23:03 rotateq with this opusmodus application for music scoring which seems to be built with lispworks and just runs on mac, i assume it's because of CAPI too

14:23:43 rotateq jackdaniel: but you have your wonderful turtle website :)

14:23:56 jackdaniel thank you

14:24:18 lisp123 mcoll: It does. I'm only speaking from experience with the Apple Ecosystem, but CAPI won't have access to all of the newer widgets and fine tuned control that one would get in Swift / SwiftUI

14:24:46 mcoll jackdaniel, yeah, I've been de-googlifyed for a while except for a youtube account so I get decent recommendations

14:24:50 rotateq get swifty lisp123

14:25:18 mcoll lisp123: I see, may give the lispworks personal edition a try just to see what it's all about

14:25:26 lisp123 mcoll: I use LispWorks now as well, its pretty great

14:25:36 lisp123 For many things, including CAPI

14:25:40 lisp123 rotateq: Indeed :)

14:26:08 mcoll personal edition or did you buy the license?

14:26:30 rotateq after 4h you get kicked from your session. or was it 5?

14:27:05 rotateq maybe if i have too much money in the future buying a license for lispworks, allegro and others

14:27:18 lisp123 mcoll: I bought the Hobbyist Edition but run it from Emacs

14:27:56 mcoll I would probably do the same, thanks guys :)

14:28:00 rotateq there's this commercial MOCL for building for iphone too but how can we even trust so much that it stands of implementing the full standard correctly?

14:28:52 jackdaniel I want to point out that ecl works on iphone

14:29:30 rotateq correct jackdaniel! (now that you say it)

14:29:46 rotateq and i trust ecl waaayyy more in everything

14:30:11 rotateq like using it one day if needed instead of this COS lib for C

14:30:12 jackdaniel perhaps I should also whip a hobbyist edition - it runs from emacs too ,)

14:30:47 rotateq ecl goes always over c, or not?

14:30:53 jackdaniel no

14:30:59 rotateq okay! :)

14:31:03 jackdaniel ecl may also compile to bytecode

14:31:15 jackdaniel and it has vm to run that bytecode

14:31:18 rotateq or directly generating native code for the platform

14:31:29 jackdaniel yes

14:33:17 rotateq it came to my mind when one now writes an FPGA toolchain with CL how to do the last steps sending build signals, but maybe via another small hardware device and special linux raw system calls

14:35:11 rotateq sry we're in #clim :(

14:46:27 jackdaniel no worries, there is no signal, so noise doesn't decrease the ratio ,)

14:51:32 rotateq hihi

15:26:38 mcoll well, clearly LW is too expensive for me if I want to deliver an application :/ back to SBCL

18:01:22 moon-child looked at lispworks prices because I was curious. They charge you separately per platform??

19:19:36 edgar-rft moon-child: you mainly pay for consulting and maintainance and probably there's one person per platform

19:20:31 moon-child edgar-rft: the hobbyist license does not come with support

19:20:46 moon-child http://www.lispworks.com/buy/prices-1h.html it is billed separately

19:21:28 moon-child (and: no way do they have one maintainer for 32-bit freebsd and another for 64-bit freebsd)

19:25:50 edgar-rft oh, that's true, I have no clue why they do that

20:06:51 mcoll yeah, it's a bit sad, I need to spend (* 800 3) just to be able to target linux, windows and mac, as a "hobbyist"

20:08:05 mcoll I understand it's a commercial platform, that's fine, I'd be willing to pay 800 for all three platforms, but I can't justify paying just 1600 just to be able to cross compile (actually not even cross-compile, you need to compile on the target platform)

20:09:38 mcoll the $400 license if I understood correctly doesn't allow generating an executable, so that's not that useful either if I want to go beyond running some code locally

20:11:07 mcoll I actually like the "pay a full license and the software is yours" model a lot more than eternal subscription, but I can't really justify it having to pay 3 licenses :(

20:13:39 moon-child yeah