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14:23:04
ebzzry
I have `sbcl --load quicklisp.lisp --eval '(progn (quicklisp-quickstart:install) (let ((ql-util::*do-not-prompt* t)) (ql:add-to-init-file) (sb-ext:quit))'` but it doesn’t wokr.
14:32:04
scymtym
ebzzry: try sbcl --load quicklisp.lisp --eval '(quicklisp-quickstart:install)' --eval '(let …)' --quit
18:38:07
fourier`
does anyone know if the Prime Time Freeware for AI software collection is available anywhere?
19:49:51
beach
ACTION strongly recommends that people program in Common Lisp rather than in some other language.
19:50:32
fiddlerwoaroof
beach: I agree generally, but sometimes one has to interoperate with libraries/systems that are impractical to duplicate
19:51:16
beach
ACTION also thinks that a way-too-high fraction of the utterances in this channel are about languages other than Common Lisp.
19:52:39
beach
fiddlerwoaroof: I think there is way too much activity aimed at satisfying individual needs for immediate solutions, rather than implementing Common Lisp equivalents for the common good of everyone.
19:53:51
jackdaniel
interoperability between Common Lisp and other languages fits the channel topic, doesn't it?
19:56:12
fourier`
its fun since just today I've read an article by Richard C. Waters "The Survival of Lisp: Either We Share, Or It Dies" dated 1994 where he stated about C taking ground and importance of interoperability with it :)
19:56:19
beach
I just think it is sad that so many people just seem to want to further their personal goals when there is so much work to do for the common good. It would be way much more productive to target common goals first.
19:58:56
beach
fourier`: I think Common Lisp is doing very well now, compared to a few years ago. But more work is needed. That's why I am sad that so much energy is spent on other things.
20:00:08
fourier`
interoperability is not other thing, is one of the key things to survive. CL community is too small to implement everything on its own, therefore interoperability with languages with bigger ecosystem is crucial for any projects to take off.
20:01:35
fourier`
nah major CLs are good with it now - abcl with java, others with C, LW with both C and Java (and obj-c on osx), ccl with c and obj-c, so we are quite good now ;)
20:01:37
fiddlerwoaroof
The other thing is that, if you want convince people to adopt common lisp, you have to provide them with a low-cost way to integrate their lisp code base with their existing software
20:02:06
fiddlerwoaroof
fourier`: there's also jfli which, I think, provides portable cl<->jvm interop
20:02:12
beach
fourier`: Indeed. I think that's what I just said. Most people spend most of their energy on things other than Common Lisp.
20:02:40
jackdaniel
diverse tactics to advance CL sound like a good strategy, I don't think any particular tactic could win on its own
20:03:01
akkad
beach is right. we need to force these other implementations to divert their time and energies to sbcl. the one true lisp :P