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11:21:05 phoe is it possible/feasible to add cleavir-code-utilities to quicklisp?

11:21:55 phoe I'd like to depend on c-c-u:destructure-lambda-list for a utility of mine that needs to parse destructuring lambda lists

11:55:57 beach I would like to make a separate code-utilities library, but it is not set up for that currently.

11:56:18 beach Also parsing lambda lists is tricky because implementations are allowed to add new lambda-list keywords.

11:56:34 beach scymtym is working on that problem I believe.

11:56:53 beach Time for a long-ish break.

12:02:16 phoe beach: I want the library to work on portable code, so only on CL lambda list keywords

12:02:41 phoe is there any way I can help with separating code-utilities out?

12:19:23 phoe since this library is a gathering of various necessary libraries, I propose the name Ecclesia

14:11:56 beach Sure, go ahead.

14:15:46 phoe OK - how should I start? Make a new repo and try to factor this stuff out of Cleavir?

14:16:28 beach Yes, I think so. There is a separate ASDF system and a separate package for the code utilities, so it should be straightforward.

14:16:48 phoe yes, I have seen it

14:16:58 phoe I'll check if there are any missing dependencies

14:17:47 beach You can remove acclimation if you like.

14:17:54 beach That's the only dependency.

14:18:22 beach And you can merge the condition reporters with the condition types.

14:18:42 beach ... or you can keep acclimation if that's what you prefer.

14:19:01 phoe is acclimation on quicklisp?

14:19:12 beach I don't remember.

14:19:13 phoe yes

14:21:00 phoe OK, I'll do that and once I'm done I'll offer to transfer the repository to you

14:21:34 beach We should put it in s-expressionists.

14:24:48 phoe OK

16:45:28 phoe beach: initial commit is ready, https://github.com/phoe-trash/Ecclesia

16:46:05 phoe works out of the box

16:47:52 phoe let me know when to transfer

16:51:30 beach Great!

16:52:03 beach I don't know how to transfer, whether you transfer to a person, to a GitHub "account", both, or neither.

16:52:13 phoe I know how to do that

16:52:22 phoe can I do it now?

16:52:27 beach Sure.

16:53:06 phoe > You don’t have the permission to create public repositories on s-expressionists

16:53:10 phoe oh!

16:53:26 beach I can give you such privilege if you tell me how.

16:53:36 phoe it should be on https://github.com/orgs/s-expressionists/people

16:53:37 beach At least I think I can.

16:53:43 phoe you should be able to invite a new person

16:54:03 phoe type phoe in there and hit OK; once I join, you should be able to refresh the page

16:54:14 phoe and then you should be able to give me the proper permissions

16:54:38 beach Hold on. I have to remember my GitHub password.

16:54:53 phoe yes, the hardest part of them all

16:56:29 beach Invitation sent.

16:56:42 phoe joined

16:56:51 phoe I can create repositories there; hold on

16:56:58 phoe repository transferred

16:57:10 beach Brilliant! Thanks!

16:57:14 phoe thanks as well!

16:57:17 phoe ACTION runs to add it to quicklisp

21:32:18 Shinmera scymtym: How far along was your port of beach's dispatch mechanism to SBCL?

21:34:16 scymtym Shinmera: i only did a few experiments. the summary i wrote for you when you last asked is probably still accurate: https://techfak.de/~jmoringe/sbcl-fastgf-roadblocks.html (although SBCL might have diverged in the meantime)

21:35:16 Shinmera Hmm, I don't remember seeing that page, but it's quite possible you showed it to me before anyway :)

21:36:39 scymtym likely since i wrote it when you asked :P

21:36:49 Shinmera Now that I have an actual commercial need for GFs to be Very Fast, I'm considering putting forth a bounty for it. I can't pay enough to cover the time needed to implement it on a proper salary, but should be on the order of thousands still.

21:37:01 scymtym i think i also had notes regarding the actual experiment

21:37:28 scymtym interesting

21:37:59 Shinmera Regarding the roadblocks, I don't care if it's a special branch of SBCL or needs to revalidate at startup, so they're no problem for me.

21:38:08 phoe Shinmera: I am most curious now

21:38:38 phoe and I'd throw some money at this issue, too

21:39:15 phoe and likely will other people when you make a bounty of sorts for it - bountysource, or perhaps something organized by CLF

21:39:22 phoe (to avoid fees and third party issues)

21:39:39 Shinmera Contacting CLF could be worth it

21:40:02 Shinmera Or could be handled through OpenCollective, I suppose.

21:40:15 phoe sure, the tooling is not the big issue

21:41:05 Shinmera Anyway, it's still something I'm not dead set on. Just wanted to toss it out there.

21:41:25 Shinmera For now performance is... passable on most systems that aren't low-end.

21:41:38 Shinmera And there's stuff I can do on my end

21:50:19 scymtym i will have a look at the state of the project

21:54:10 scymtym heh, the README file is titled "Steel Beach Common Lisp"

22:07:37 phoe :D