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7:02:34
theemacsshibe
(I'll use my non-bridged account and erc since it's easier to copy text out of that way.)
7:33:10
shka__
it seems that the goal of education nowdays is to lube new cogs in the machine so it can spin efficiently
8:02:12
splittist
If the machine is the higher education industry, and the goal of the machine is the maximization of resources to be consumed by the machine (i.e. as per a normal, modern, human institution), then it does seem to be doing a good job.
8:02:48
beach
shka__: I have no problem with one goal of higher education being to make industry efficient. The problem is that to make industry efficient, we don't need to teach what industry WANTS, because industry doesn't WANT what it NEEDS to be efficient.
8:02:50
beach
For that we need academic research and transfer of the result of that research to our students.
8:09:02
beach
shka__: Yes, it does know exactly what it wants, but not what it needs to become more efficient, which is the overall goal for the nation or union in which it is located.
8:09:46
beach
As it is, academia things that industry wants what it needs, so it supplies industry with those things.
8:10:53
beach
As it is, academia thinks that industry wants what it needs, so it supplies industry with those things, is what I meant.
8:11:17
shka__
nations in XXI century are barely relevant, and the whole discours boils down to few percent of difference in the tax rate
8:13:49
beach
I think I finished the ones on bootstrapping: http://metamodular.com/bootstrapping-slides.pdf
8:14:32
splittist
You don't have to affirmatively close them, just stop funding them with tax money. The scions of the upper middle class can provide the academics of tomorrow - as they did of yesterday - and industry can train apprentices.
8:25:47
no-defun-allowed
If you're suggesting companies should fund academia, I don't think that's a good idea, splittist.
8:26:32
no-defun-allowed
You end up with the Microsoft/Apple/Adobe/&c oglipolies in course content, even now when there's not much private funding.
8:29:50
splittist
I'm suggesting that the current 'higher' 'education' industry is 2/3 a waste of resources and 1/3 a giant subsidy to industry. I am also struggling to make this SICL/Lisp relevant (:
8:39:50
beach
Slides for my make-method-lambda talk. It is going to be a short talk. http://metamodular.com/make-method-lambda-slides.pdf
8:41:54
beach
I feel a lot calmer now. I have acceptable versions of both talks as PDFs on metamodular.com.
8:42:20
beach
I can spend more time installing stuff on my wife's laptop so that, if necessary, I can tweak the slides later.