10:23:02selwyni don't mind tex so much as the ' tex-based solutions' like lyx and overleaf, which are sometimes very frustrating
10:23:37selwynit's sometimes difficult to avoid them when someone wants to collaborate on something
11:00:24Shinmerahaven't had to use those much, fortunately
11:00:44ShinmeraI think TeX is a really terrible language though from a design perspective.
11:01:05ShinmeraEspecially once you need to make macros or do anything non-trivial, the expansion rules, reader rules, layouting rules, etc. are all a gigantic mess.
11:01:36ShinmeraEven just something that should be standard like "define a font fallback hierarchy" is really hard
11:24:07selwyndo you think common lisp is well-designed?
11:24:39ShinmeraIt is very clear that the designers behind Lisp put a /lot/ of thought and effort into almost every part of it.
11:25:01ShinmeraThey had a very difficult problem to solve, though, and by now the language would be better for general use if the constraints they did have had been different.
11:25:11ShinmeraBut, given the constraints, I think it was a big success.
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