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18:04:22
Bike
repeated save-lisp-and-die and startups seems like it might reduce any efficiency gain a fair bit
18:32:46
rpg
jmercouris: A *very* important counter-intuitive thing about ASDF is that it's build plans ARE NOT HIERARCHICAL. You don't load the components of the system in a context of loading the system itself.
18:52:26
thatpythonboy
what else lib does it use for compiling a simple program composing of loops and functions
18:53:45
Xach
thatpythonboy: the runtime program is around 300KB, but it "loads" a much larger memory image when it starts up.
18:59:03
beach
thatpythonboy: The size of the compiler is not typically the main objective of the compiler writer. The performance of the generated code is usually more important.
19:01:42
heisig
Legend has it CCL used to run using only 2MB of RAM. Its images have a size of 18Mb though. Still less than many fancy web pages.
19:06:35
heisig
jasom: Was there ever a PDP-11 running a full CL (all 978 external symbols, including the MOP and the condition system)?
19:10:01
jasom
heisig: definitely not a CLtL2 CL; I don't think MACLISP even ever got all the features in CLtL1, early CLtL1 lisps at MIT might have been on CADR?
19:14:29
jasom
heisig: the CADR had 24 bit virtual addresses and 22 bit physical addresses for 16/4MB limits on virtual and physical
19:16:48
heisig
And here I sit thinking about buying a machine with 256GB of RAM and 256MB of L3 cache. What a time to be alive :)
19:17:16
jasom
heisig: though Gold Hill Common lisp ran on PCs in the mid 80's that was probably more constrained than a CADR in the mid 70s
19:22:30
thatpythonboy
is it needed to store in storage the buffer to execute it, i prefer not to in emacs
20:19:57
jmercouris
Firstly, that question makes no sense, second ask on the emacs channel instead please
20:20:38
jmercouris
Maybe because the question is so poorly formulated nobody can discern your meaning
20:21:45
jmercouris
I’m glad to hear it, I would be surprised if your own stream of consciousness is unclear to you
20:22:00
thatpythonboy
so i want to press C-enter and make emacs display the output within emacs so sthat i don't have to go to gnome-terminal to see it... simple
20:22:16
jmercouris
However, when communicating with other individuals who are NOT inside your head, you must make effort to be clear
20:23:11
thatpythonboy
i am made to switch windows to terminal to see the ouptut but prefer not to go out
20:58:57
alanz
dbotton, your current clog master gives a backtrace for tutorial 24. https://gist.github.com/alanz/979b1cb4f9c45fbf8708bd771295d471
21:04:15
asdflkj
you could sell it and get a much faster Ryzen and a much lighter and thinner pinebook (when they're in stock)
21:12:11
alanz
not at all, I saw changes decided to take a look. Only too happy to be able to test for you
21:13:31
alanz
dbotton, current master renders again. Nice to see it coming together. This is sbcl-2.1.1 on debian testing
21:15:03
dbotton
I have not been able to get cl-dbi to work for sqlserver on my Mac - corruptions to data etc - if easy enough can let me know if works on your platform
21:16:59
dbotton
No rush, I decided to after wasting much time trying to track down why to focus on the clog-web stuff and then go back to continue work on database integration
21:18:52
dbotton
(Worst case is I will just design things using separate database bindings which maybe ideal anyways)
21:18:55
alanz
dbotton, plain cl-sqlite works, as well as mito which I am working with in my toy app
21:23:34
dbotton
Well this will also be a very realistic replacement on a local machine but it may be a year or so till I can give it the tic for that
21:24:12
alanz
yes, I see it very much as local machine apps only. It has no security stuff at all, as far as I know. At present.
21:27:15
_death
it could easily surpass sqlitebrowser in functionality if there's a way to customize presentation of values (that can be dispatched on particular columns, or other values).. for example some blobs may be images, or some serialization of data
21:43:49
jeosol
I recently had a chat with Fare about it. He no longer works on it. I got some errors and posted on #sbcl but no leads yet.