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23:19:55
aeth
In case someone's wondering why I brought up game engines... I think any "serious" language should consider a game engine, a web browser, and a database. Big, complicated applications that need some degree of performance and an unbounded number of features limited only by ambition and time.
23:20:18
aeth
Fairly non-overlapping, too, so just those three should span most application development concerns.
23:21:28
aeth
Maybe add something that heavily involves integers, but maybe that's already covered by the cryptography that's needed by networking...
0:13:38
matta
Can anyone tell me what the #+dev in https://github.com/vseloved/cl-agraph/blob/master/cl-agraph.asd is doing? I know that this conditionally includes the subsequent form, but how does this "dev" thing get set, and do conditional :depends-on tricks like this play nice with quicklisp?
0:24:13
pillton
matta: It would be better to define a cl-agraph/test system rather than use the conditional reader.
0:24:32
lotuseater
if the keyword is in *features*it will put the following atom/sexp. otherwise it will comment it out
0:28:23
pillton
matta: Have a look at secion 7.1.1 Predefined operations of ASDF in the ASDF manual https://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/asdf.html
0:34:38
matta
pillton: thanks, I had seen separate foo/test systems defined elsewhere. This #+dev approach was different, so it cought my eye.
0:43:32
fiddlerwoaroof
https://github.com/fiddlerwoaroof/daydreamer/blob/8b29101b298da546bc1555c5c2abc44622ffa980/daydreamer.asd#L35
0:44:36
fiddlerwoaroof
It's better than conditionals in your .asd because ASD can track the features
0:45:52
fiddlerwoaroof
I mostly use it to filter out files that contain code that doesn't work in Lispworks
4:07:24
phoe
well, my old personal statement still holds true; I can only properly wish you good morning if I don't sleep during the night
4:10:18
phoe
been busy earning the achievement of being proclaimed the biggest threat to the Common Lisp community right now
4:11:45
phoe
I guess that I annoyed him a wee bit too much with my posts at https://github.com/cl-library-docs/common-lisp-libraries/issues/3
4:14:07
phoe
beach: no worries. I am glad that I was able to spend some time and compile some publicly available data on him that will hopefully help keep the Lisp community a better place in the future.
4:15:01
phoe
and the best news is that neither Xach nor lispm hold the position of the #1 Lisp baddie anymore!
4:37:15
mfiano
I still hold the record for longest grudge held against. Only recently as yesterday have I seen him mention me. Serious psychological issues over there.
5:10:14
janis
i think im gonna try this more often bc i found out emacs has a built in irc client LOL
5:10:40
phoe
you might want to visit #lispcafe if you feel like having some general random/offtopic chat with lispers
5:12:24
phoe
also just feel free to hang around and tune in to general #lisp discussion about Common Lisp the language
5:14:57
Bike
i envy their internet experience if the craziest thing anyone has ever said to them on the internet was that they're not good at lisp
5:15:45
phoe
in my case it's just a combination of patience, persistence, data scraping and a decision to allocate some time to solve this issue with his aggression once and for all.
5:16:31
Bike
so the reason this arrows thing would need a code walker is just to distinguish whether a form has <> in it, right?
5:17:29
phoe
because otherwise it cannot easily tell apart (list (list (list '<>))) from (list (list (list <>)))
5:19:20
Bike
and the reason that matters is because if there's no <> then it's implicitly the first argument to the next form, right... odd stuff
8:26:11
jackdaniel
ACTION puts down the bowl with popcorn and closes the issue #3 on github. all you said phoe is something I agree with :)
8:31:27
jackdaniel
actually it was a donut (and it was tasty), but popcorn seems to be a "figure of speech"
8:51:00
phoe
imode: https://github.com/cl-library-docs/common-lisp-libraries/issues/3 - wear a hazmat suit before entering.
8:52:43
ldb
in general i don't like arrow, bcs i'd choose another language for doing functional style programming
9:06:08
jackdaniel
OK, frauds and drama aside, lisp lisp lisp (pun at the phrase "team team team" from the it crowd franchise)
9:12:57
ldb
I think I'd headache if I recived a peice of code from 30 years ago with "idioms" been used everywhere and has to reverse engineering what's going on there
9:19:15
phantomics
It's just 4 lines, I understand quux needs parens because it has arguments after the first implicit one
9:20:04
phoe
this is to be able to provide function names to the arrow macro, which is kinda convenient
9:22:11
ck_
Here is some helpful code that subsumes many uses https://github.com/randomcorp/thread-first-thread-last-backwards-question-mark-as-arrow-cond-arrow-bang