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4:22:50
dialectic
beach: You should know, the link to your paper on generic dispatch seems to be broken now.
4:28:15
dialectic
I read the cached google on Google already (I guess monopolies are good for some things...) so no hurry, just thought I'd let you know in case you didn't already.
4:29:34
beach
I have been asked to provide an index for all the SICL-related papers, and as part of that work, I am putting them in a sub-directory.
6:51:03
flip214
Is there some HTTP/3 client library for CL available? Or a server (plugin for hunchentoot)?
6:56:51
flip214
loke: thanks, having HA-Proxy in front for load-balancing and HA would make sense anyway.
8:11:02
ck_
I think that depends on what you mean by AI. These days, I feel like it is mostly "deep learning", meaning data shoveling. As far as I can tell, that's not mainly the domain of lisp
8:11:22
aindilis
nah, srry, I meant GOFAI like here: https://nptel.ac.in/courses/nptel_download.php?subjectid=106106140
8:19:31
aindilis
beach: that's a great question, in all honesty I would probably pester them with requests to work together
8:24:13
aindilis
I've honestly written quite a lot of code, but not so much in Common Lisp, although I'm getting started
8:30:07
no-defun-allowed
And one day I'll finish (well, actually, start, I've reworked the whole process) my GPU backend for Petalisp.
8:32:00
no-defun-allowed
I know OpenCL to some extent, and I'll be generating it from the IR heisig invented.
8:34:29
aindilis
mainly classical AI planning algorithms optimized for GPU, and other more ordinary AI tasks
8:35:11
aindilis
because well I need the infrastructure and have problems historically finding people to collaborate with
9:34:34
jackdaniel
right, I remember I had to write alternative to it some time ago to not die on a heap
9:38:27
jackdaniel
could be, what I'm saying is that alexandria:map-product conses all subresults at the same time
10:22:18
dmiles
to give exmaple of one i have used is http://www.dcc.fc.up.pt/~ricroc/homepage/publications/leap/2013-WFLP.pdf
10:26:48
dmiles
we are moving some of CYC's operation to YAP .. but there is so much to do I cant give a date
10:41:35
dmiles
if i was doing "deep learning" or any sort of statistical annealing... I'd use a symbolic approach ot setting up training
10:51:09
shka__
i think that "reinventing prolog machine" can, and it is one reason i am interested in it
10:53:30
pillton
Well I'll be. From the CLHS entry for defpackage: "If :use is not supplied, it defaults to the same implementation-dependent value as the :use argument to make-package."
10:58:47
dmiles
"Forall Humans there exists limbs with 5 digits each and each digit has a fingernail"
10:59:48
jackdaniel
I think we drift away from the channel topic a little. back to relevance: what is the blackboardedclos?
11:00:53
dmiles
blackboardedclos is where instead of storing in a slotted structure-like thing.. you store using assert/query
11:06:13
_death
does it have knowledge sources contributing in the form of CLOS slot updates, building up instances?
11:07:44
dmiles
_death well that is something i wnt to do .. that the programmer can choose to have the object actually get push/pulled even if it doesnt get Blackboard-ified
11:08:33
dmiles
for example ... (implies (and (isa ?S Socket)(socketType ?S ?T) (servercePort ?T ?P)) (rempotePort ?S P))
11:14:35
dmiles
this CLOS<->BlackboardedCLOS project should be its very own thing but i am doing it inside CYC because I need it myself
11:18:52
dmiles
also there are cases that will have to be fixed .. like someones setcdring a value .. the update might not take place correctly
11:34:48
Xach
pillton: many traditionalists were mad because it broke code that assumed cl was in the default list
11:35:12
aindilis
no-defun-allowed: https://github.com/aindilis/gpgpu-planning/tree/master/systems/gpuplan
11:35:44
jackdaniel
I think that even someone not very traditional would get upset if they had their software broken
11:37:51
no-defun-allowed
welp, i've been poking with GPU code from the sanity of oclcl so i wouldn't have a clue how to read that
13:53:28
pfdietz
You should definitely go to the many other languages that have the features of Common Lisp. /friendlysarcasm
13:54:27
chris4197
I could probably implement a subset of LISP based on functionality that is already inside of our application at work.
13:57:21
jackdaniel
every sufficiently complicasted program has a Common Lisp subset implemented in it (informally specified of course)
14:02:06
pfdietz
Anyway, not going with CL because it lacks features would be silly, IMO. If you are going to avoid CL, libraries and integration issues would be more important. And if you are a manager, worry about hiring people who know it.
14:11:13
beach
chris4197: To my knowledge, there is no language that has strictly more features than Common Lisp.
14:13:07
pfdietz
On might more fruitfully ask which features of CL are "important" in making it CL (or a Lisp).
14:14:41
pfdietz
One little thing I just love is that integers are much closer to mathematical integers than they are in most other languages.
14:17:18
pfdietz
Another slightly meta thing: often, the mechanisms to implement builtin things are themselves made available as utilities. setf expanders, for example. This could widened, I admit.
15:48:31
sjl_
(defmacro foo (value &body body &aux (var (gensym))) `(let ((,var ,value)) (declare (special ,var)) ,@body))
15:51:20
_death
you could go with that approach, and add flet and a symbol-macro so that assignment is prevented
15:53:53
_death
well, the variable behind the flet would be special, and you can define another namespace so that you can shadow
15:56:19
_death
or you could just make it simpler and instead of raw special variable use, define a reader function and a macro to bind
16:10:44
pfdietz
The reason I'd want this was so the compiler could strength reduce accesses to the value of the special variable (and checks for boundp).