23:52:55thrigother package systems do not rely on https
23:57:29zigpawthey always should relay on pulling bootstrap code via https (or indirectly via https from linux/bsd distro package manager), or users should verify checksums manually - which they never do.
23:59:16thriggot a lot of trusted certificates in that there bloaty browser
0:00:28zigpawa separate problem of sorts, esp. with the history of computer vendors adding their own to the chain, etc. (not applicable to linux/bsd but still)
0:08:32Xachzigpaw: the bootstrap can only fetch the rest via plain http, unfortunately.
0:17:33Xachplus https is not easily available on all platforms, so
9:10:20no-defun-allowedmight be a good time to remind people that despite the clhs being quite restrictively copyrighted you can download the CLHS for personal use, and it's only about 15MB including crappy GIF images and all 2300 HTML files
9:11:38no-defun-allowedit's 2mb in the targz you get from lispworks so you can do it any time you're bored or have a minute where you're thinking "what language documentation should i download today?"
9:13:43jackdanielhere is even better version which is not copyrighted: http://cvberry.com/tech_writings/notes/common_lisp_standard_draft.html
9:14:27jackdanielyou may build your own standard draft, change it, annotated it and put it on the website (also use as a pdf with bookmarks - much better to navigate than clhs directly if you ask me, I'm still sold to l1sp.org though)