freenode/#lisp - IRC Chatlog
Search
10:11:53
borodust
Xach: latest ccl ("Version 1.11.5/v1.11.5 (LinuxX8664)") seems to bork ~/quicklisp/local-projects/system-index.txt
10:12:33
borodust
I nailed it down to (ql::matching-directory-files "~/quicklisp/local-projects/" (lambda (file) t)) returning different results for sbcl and ccl
10:24:50
borodust
Xach: ah, i see why :/ ccl's directory-entries calls merge-pathnames with :follow-links nil
10:25:45
jackdaniel
borodust: not a solution, but a workaround: issuing ql:register-local-projects from sbcl should make things work on ccl too
10:26:41
borodust
jackdaniel: yeah i did that so far this way, but i use #'write-asdf-manifest-file and call to it overwrite system-index.txt :/
10:46:17
light2yellow
is there a way to splice a list without comma and comma-at? for example, how do I create (a 1 2 3 c) if (setq b '(1 2 3)) ? what would be the equvalent of `(a ,@b c) ?
10:53:23
light2yellow
jackdaniel: no high-level goal, just reading about macros and wondering what would be a substitute in normal expressions not prefixed by backquote, since I feel like splicing might be a useful thing
10:55:58
ecraven
light2yellow: it's very instructive, especially since CL has macroexpand-1. unfortunately, most Schemes miss that one :-/
10:58:27
edgar-rft
light2yellow, you might be interested in <https://www.cs.cmu.edu/Groups/AI/html/cltl/clm/node367.html>
12:16:35
knobo
I tried css-lite, I did not like it as I need to look in the source for documentation.
12:41:01
drmeister
antoszka: Hello! Yes we got home fine - it was a very smooth trip. I hope it was the same for you.
12:42:43
drmeister
antoszka, phoe, jasom, p_l, shrdlu68: Thanks - I'll check out lparallel and or use a queue. We have Bordeaux threads working.
13:25:29
Xach
mfiano: http://report.quicklisp.org/2018-04-30/failure-report/gamebox-math.html#gamebox-math
13:31:34
jackdaniel
can someone try to load serapeum on the newest ql release? I have an error: `The function SERAPEUM::KEY is undefined.'
13:44:26
jackdaniel
same problem on ecl. I'll try on a separate user account later (without polluted asdf's registry)
13:47:46
knobo
With enhancement: better handling of unknown keyword arguments, which I have been wating for a couple of years :)
14:04:22
mfiano
Xach: This is strange. Even if I touch package.lisp as to force a full recompile, I do not get an error. However if I quickload with :verbose t, warnings become errors.
14:05:15
Xach
mfiano: the best way to catch is to use :verbose t all the time or set *quicklisp-verbose*
14:06:50
jackdaniel
I'm puzzled, I've cleaned cache, removed local-projects and common-lisp/ and I still have this weird issue
14:08:13
Xach
mfiano: when you ql:quickload something, by default, you don't see cl:warnings. if you asdf:load or use quickload verbose, you do.
14:12:11
Xach
From my perspective, I wish there was a really easy way to say "build verbosely and don't catch warnings when building local things but build quietly and catch warnings when building quicklisp-provided things"
14:55:43
jasom
drmeister: one of my first mentors taught me that communicating via queues is hard to mess up. Being hard to mess up is worth its weight in gold when it comes to concurrency
14:56:55
jasom
lparallel's channels are less general-purpose than a queue, but if they do what you need they are even easier.
15:07:42
phoe
"enhancement: namestrings can now be computed for certain pathnames that previously did not have namestrings because of #\. characters in their name and/or type components. "
15:32:38
Xof
Xach: (handler-bind ((warning (lambda (x) (if (quicklisp-provided-p *current-system*) (muffle-warning x) nil)))) ...) ?
15:37:26
Xach
I was thinking about doing something with *compile-file-truename* and if it's in the quicklisp path structure but I don't remember where I landed on that.
15:37:53
Petit_Dejeuner
Is there an easy way to determine the endianess of the machine? All I found in uiop was some stuff for reading little endian bytes.
15:38:15
Xof
the way I'm thinking aloud about is finding the current operation / component and using that
15:38:40
Xach
Petit_Dejeuner: I don't know offhand, but I'm curious - what would you do with that info?
15:41:00
Xof
*systems-being-operated* unfortunately does not have the property we would like -- it doesn't tell us the innermost system
15:41:42
Xof
and it's not clear to me whether you as quicklisp author are allowed to write methods on asdf:operate
15:41:47
Petit_Dejeuner
Xach: I'm trying to write a lisp library equivalent to the following python library. https://docs.python.org/2/library/struct.html
15:42:47
Petit_Dejeuner
I wanted to do something like cl-ppcre where there was a sexpr and text notation, so I want the text notation to be as python comaptible as possible.
15:42:48
Xof
(if you are, you could write an around method that binds a special to the component being operated on, and test for that being in quicklisp's path)
15:43:14
Petit_Dejeuner
Even though I don't see the point of a "native" byte order and figure people could determine that on their own. :/
15:43:43
Xach
Petit_Dejeuner: you could spawn python, pack in "native" order, and check the bytes you get back :)
15:44:10
Petit_Dejeuner
lol, might as well just write a python script and have my library call it at that point
15:56:27
puchacz
I understand there are 2 levels of quoting, either preserving whitespace (rare) or not preserving whitespace (common)
15:57:08
puchacz
not sure if text into attributes needs to be quoted in the same way as text sitting in text nodes
16:06:19
mfiano
Now that Lisp Game Jam 2018 is over, everyone can show a little support and vote for their favorites for the next 3 days before the results are public: https://itch.io/jam/lisp-game-jam-2018/entries
17:09:25
Xach
And it recognizes some of the common ways to slurp documentation in, but not format nil.
18:02:52
ym
Are there attempts to crossbreed SBCL with Linux so that first process started by kernel would be SBCL?
18:05:36
aeth
I'm not aware of any top-down approach because to be practical, as dlowe said, you'd have to start further up in the "top" part
18:13:18
White_Flame
ym: but that would just get you a raw framebuffer. McCLIM would be what draws on top of that
18:14:50
jackdaniel
ym: but to provide example of some adventages, you may watch this video (first 12m: https://youtu.be/RBOrllTA-yc)
18:15:09
ym
White_Flame, all I want is a raw framebuffer (well, with SIMD-optimized rendering, but SBCL has SIMD support, so that's no problem).
18:20:18
ym
IIRC there is X server implementation in CL, but I don't think about it yet. All I want is, ghm, SBCL minimalistic environment with DRM graphics output linux /dev/input as input etc. For my personal nearly-embedded needs.
18:55:52
TMA
is there a SOAP web service client in quicklisp besides hu.dwim.utils/soap? (or more documentation than http://quickdocs.org/hu.dwim.util/api, which is sparse and does not cover the soap/XML part at all)
19:14:01
yoel
Petit_Dejeuner: If u r still looking for Python's struct alternative, take a look at userial