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20:22:27
phoe
There was this trick in X Windows that switched parentheses and brackets. Some obscure config option.
20:29:03
phoe
But there was some really weird config option in X server AFAIK that achieved the same effect.
20:33:22
random-nick
phoe: is this the post you're looking for? https://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/78tx8f/typing_parentheses_the_lisp_machine_way/
1:15:07
babylisp
Something even funnier is asking a lisp programmer who stutters to read: (car (cdr (cddddr (cddddr list))))
1:15:10
rme
I'm always glad to see someone learning CL. I could do without that sort of attitude, though.
1:16:24
jmercouris
I don't think you'll offend somebody in this channel, as likely nobody here has a stutter, but just food for thought
1:17:12
babylisp
jmercouris: How is that offensive? I am sure anyone who stutters would find reading (car (cdr (cddddr (cddddr list)))) almost impossible.
1:17:33
jmercouris
I'm sure they might, what they may not like is you finding it funny that they have a problem
1:19:20
babylisp
I think what is most patronizing is people "affording" more courtesy for people with disabilities. It is borderline contempt.
1:19:31
jmercouris
I'm sorry if I came across the wrong way, not trying to be a moral warrior, I'm just offering an opinion
1:19:56
babylisp
jmercouris: fair enough, just having a conversation. Maybe I should tune down a lil though.
1:21:58
jmercouris
There is no moral truth, so let's just please drop this topic, as I'm sure we won't come to resolution
1:21:59
babylisp
In fact, excluding people from anything is contemptuous. It is what makes people feel disenfranchised.
1:25:33
Bike
So like, if you see a jock mocking a nerd for reading fantasy novels, say, you're like "ah, this is a healthy community interaction, these people are friends"
1:29:58
Bike
You said that if you DON'T mock people for stuttering, they'll feel left out and pitied.
1:30:38
babylisp
No, if we never have a joke about people who stutter while joking about just anyone else, it is patronizing.
1:34:18
Bike
You aren't, because you're doing the same thing. Some stranger makes a joke at the expense of nerds and fucks with me. You make a joke at the expense of stuttering strangers.
1:35:50
babylisp
And I am not discounting your feelings about the topic, I understand you have a strong stand against anything that could constitute bullying, and that is fair.
1:36:04
Bike
Of course you're not being _abusive_. You're not the guy taking the backpack. You're the guy in the background making jokes at the expense of the guy being bullied.
1:37:15
babylisp
You need to see my point of view, I am not even for making people excluded or less than others, let alone leave them abused or worst yet make fun of that.
1:37:47
Bike
I know you aren't making a conscious effort to exclude people. You just do it anyway and conceptualize it as hilarious.
1:38:47
babylisp
Bike: Look, I won't make jokes at the expense of bully, someone being physically harassed is not funny. I have actually got myself in big trouble many times in school over that.
1:41:35
babylisp
So, are we getting to the whole idea of Bullying Culture? Cause I think that is total bullshit.
1:42:52
babylisp
So no joke about people who stutter, short people, white people, black people, kids, elders, people with short fingers, and no joke about humans.
1:43:58
babylisp
And oh, no Asian jokes, no Middle Eastern people joke, no Arab joke, no vegan joke, no joke.
1:46:36
rme
I think Norvig has some material about compiling as well, and it's a great book for learning CL generally.
1:47:32
babylisp
jmercouris: I have been using IRC forever and I have never come across that guide, learn many of those over time though, but good sauce.
1:56:27
rme
Curiously, there are few, if any, papers that implement any kind of lisp compiler that targets actual hardware. Usually it's bytecode or C.
2:31:33
p_l
rme: mind you, those cover 3 different implementation in one go (CMUCL, SBCL, SCL) which afaik didn't change *that* much in compiler