17:23:53samlamammaYou know, Lisp is really the ultimate CRUD-application builder. Just provide the definition of your data and Lisp can generate all the code to transfer it between your app, the database, the protobuf layer, what have you.
17:29:10shka_well, you can generate bullshit code, that's true
18:09:28beachYes, I am lucky that I can choose what to work on.
18:10:43jackdanielcrud(l) is also aften used in api context (i.e RESTful API)
18:11:58beachREST is another one that I only learned about not too long ago.
18:13:28beachDatabases seem to imply copying, and copying is contrary to the semantics of Common Lisp, so I am trying to figure out ways of managing data without copying it.
18:13:47beach... like universal persistence for instance.
18:21:03shka_beach: yeah, you see this is stuff used to build every single webapp, and since it is used to build every single webapp efforts has been made to make it painless even though it still sucks
18:21:21shka_… i just realized that it sounds like unix
18:33:51grewalasarch: Bootstrap another implementation and run their tests
18:40:38p_lbeach: have you seen GemStone/S? While it's proprietary, the source should be interrogatable at runtime, and it's based about object persistence at language level, iirc