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20:43:17
svillemot
unfortunately, CCL can not be packaged because for its FFI it basically depends on a obsolete GCC version
20:44:08
svillemot
loke: I confirm that Debian packages for CL libraries are build-dependencies of pgloader, but need not be installed by the end user
20:46:26
svillemot
I'm aware that those packages for CL libraries are not the right fit for many developers, but at least permit having pgloader in Debian
20:47:07
svillemot
recently I have also improved their quality by integrating their testsuites into the CI engine of Debian (i.e. they are tested automatically against SBCL, ECL and sometimes CLISP)
20:49:25
svillemot
e.g. for alexandria: https://ci.debian.net/data/autopkgtest/unstable/amd64/c/cl-alexandria/2000450/log.gz
21:38:32
pjb
(let ((v (make-array 10 :fill-pointer 5 :initial-element 0)) (a (make-array '(2 2 3) :initial-element 0))) (list (list (length v) (fill-pointer v) (array-total-size v) (array-dimension v 0) (array-dimensions v)) (list (array-total-size a) (array-dimension a 0) (array-dimensions a)))) #| --> ((5 5 10 10 (10)) (12 2 (2 2 3))) |#
0:59:03
python476
I'm reading norvig PAIP, I was curious if there are books of this kind (broadly) written since ?
1:02:13
antoszka
python476: I don't think there's anything exactly like PAIP (with that quality Common Lisp course)
1:10:12
no-defun-allowed
i know of a few research projects in CL being undertaken now, SICL is a CL implementation and Petalisp is a high performance matrix math computing library, and a lot of research in AI and high level languages has been done in Lisps
1:25:28
dmiles
after PAIP i suggest: https://www.amazon.com/Daydreaming-Humans-Machines-Computer-Thought/dp/1478137266
1:28:25
dmiles
also if people are interested in use Lisp of AGI there is my project that is inteded to untoyify PAIP https://github.com/TeamSPoon/CYC_JRTL_with_CommonLisp
1:35:39
Fare
Lisp was not very attractive on 64KB machines, or even 640KB machines. "The language is too large!"
1:54:18
dmiles
i think the prology/data case conventions there were meant to conflict in your mind with the non-data/lisp conventions
2:08:15
dmiles
you might say that computer hardware is finally catching up to what kinds of things we want to do in lisp
2:31:11
loke
svillemot: the problem, IMHO, is that these packages becomes available to any Lisp appliction, not just pgloader (and others which may be packaged in Debian)
2:31:51
loke
These library packages should only be visible to the applications for which they exist (such as pgloader)
5:58:17
dtw
<svillemot "dtw: in Debiar 9, you also have "> Thank you. I am fine with SBCL but it is sometimes useful to test other implementations as well.