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23:32:39
granttrec
does lisp have good build tools? I'm interested in learning a functional language but with experience from previous languages I'd appreciate a simple build tools
23:37:56
pillton
granttrec: Common lisp is a multi-paradigm language. ASDF (https://common-lisp.net/project/asdf/) is what most people use to build common lisp software.
23:49:26
pillton
You will probably have a hard time adjusting to the fact that compilation can mutate the global environment.
23:59:59
akkad
granttrec: it's like picking a religion. one can convert you, or you can see the light on your own. build something trivial in each, and figure out which one fits your style best
0:00:31
pillton
granttrec: This channel is about common lisp. Clojure is not an implementation of common lisp.
0:01:40
akkad
At the request of John McCarthy, Lisp’s creator, no single language that is a member of the Lisp family is to be intended to be the definitive dialect; that is, none is to be called just “LISP.”
0:06:08
akkad
there is a page that shows the differences between the lisps. to give you a feel for it
0:10:00
granttrec
akkad: not be to off topic but do peopel program in emaxs lisp outside of hacking the editor?
0:14:27
aeth
akkad: This comes up from time to time. Afaik, the historical Lisps that led up to Common Lisp like Maclisp and Lisp Machine Lisp are also on topic in #lisp, it's just that obviously they come up much less frequently.
0:15:46
aeth
Since most modern Lisps deviate significantly from the tradition (Common Lisp represents the tradition + an object system), there isn't really the demand for a channel that just involves Lisps in general. There is one, ##lisp is its name, and it was (when I was in it) quite dead. #scheme is similarly not very active compared to the individual Scheme channels.
0:17:12
aeth
akkad: As I said, and you might get a different answer depending on who's on, last time this came up and I was here, people said that precursor languages to CL are on topic. And I have shared historic Lisp material here before iirc.
0:18:05
aeth
Common Lisp represents a Lisp tradition that very few other living Lisps follow. Maybe Emacs Lisp. Scheme is probably the next closest, if you ignore that it renamed practically every procedure and has slightly different terminology (like "procedure", "pair" instead of "cons", etc.)
0:18:45
aeth
akkad: Implementation-specific issues go to implementation-specific channels. I go to #sbcl when I have a question about an SBCL extension or something.
0:22:40
aeth
If there was a survey here, it'd probably be 60% SBCL and 30% CCL. 2:1 is a lot, but that's the impression I get here. Other methods seem to suggest perhaps 10:1 SBCL:CCL, so if anything CCLers are overrepresented here. (Concrete numbers would be hard to obtain, though.)
0:29:30
akkad
pillton: was told they were not opensource, thus off topic for freenode. despite the fact that the ##lisp would be the "opensource" channel
1:19:48
Bike
and regardless of that, it seems likely that you can get better specific advice about lispworks and allegro from their official mailing lists and help lines and such.
1:22:00
Xach
This is not a great place for discussion of allegro and lispworks mostly because there are few users here, but partly because it is not what freenode is for.
2:24:19
akkad
how things have changed. Aug 02 15:30:47 2002 #lisp 67 The open source lisp-wiki: http://ww.telent.net/cliki/ - sbcl 0.7.6 out - clisp 2.29 out - new site: www.lispworks.com
4:15:36
LdBeth
Is it possible to specify type for certain symbols, e.g. for symbol 'YES and 'NO, they have type 'Y-OR-N
4:29:57
LdBeth
I want to write a TCG card game, there’s certain attributes I want to check if is valid at runtime and retain the ability adding new attributes
4:57:20
beach
And I guess I don't see the purpose of the new metaclass, but that's probably normal, since I don't understand what the code is doing.
5:03:20
LdBeth
beach: I use metaclass because I want to avoid introducing a lot of global variables. That additional slot of metaclass stores allowed content
7:55:58
jackdaniel
from the "under the hood" perspective it is different. clrhash mutates hashtable object, while creating fesh hash-table constructs whole new one
7:56:31
jackdaniel
also if you have more references to that hashtable in your program, then clrhash will clear all of them
9:49:24
jmercouris
rather, has anyone in this channel done so, or know of a guide illustrating how to do so?