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19:54:17
sukaeto
<schweers> beach: why do you (and others?) insist on the terminology of a condition being “signalled” instead of being “thrown”? Is there a deeper meaning to the terms than I am seeing?
19:54:46
sukaeto
^ since (unless I missed it, in which case, sorry) no one else explicitly pointed it out - because that is the term defined and used in the Common Lisp spec
19:58:35
sukaeto
jmercouris: again, I did not ask the question. I merely quoted schweers (who, it would unfortunately appear, is not in the channel right now) for context since it was asked a while ago in the back buffer
22:29:00
catern
so many lisps drop the user into a nested-REPL when there is an error, and let the user handle the error and resume computation
22:29:39
catern
is there any syntax or usual way to handle, "I want some value but I don't know how to get it, I'll drop to a REPL and the human will return it to me"?
22:29:53
catern
like, I'm essentially looking for syntax for handling "asking a human" for something
22:33:03
catern
but I'm talking presenting the user with a full-on REPL, where they might use data passed to them or inspect the stack or whatever, in their quest to produce the desired value
22:59:20
Bike
(make-array ... :fill-pointer t) initializes the fill pointer to be the initial length
23:06:45
p_l
nickername: well, there's a faq on website, iirc, github issues are AFAIK the actual final submission mechanism, but for stuff not covered there you can probably bug Xach ?
23:40:02
nickername
Email isn't too good to me right now. I hate to ask, but can I just put it here?
23:43:08
nickername
I don't like being forced to use Freenode, but it's the least objectionable option.
23:43:30
nickername
Now, you can either add my programs, as I've been asking for months, or I can create a quicklisp competitor.
23:44:23
Xach
If you email me about it, I'll look at them again, but if you don't want to email and don't want to use github, please do whatever you like.
23:45:03
Xach
I think it would be very challenging to work with a community if you don't want to interact with gmail or github, but life would be boring without challenges.
23:45:53
jasom
ebrasca: you were asking for examples of when defun (setf ...) doesn't work? I just thought of one; if you e.g. wanted to make a (setf (assoc ...) ...) that might add a new item to the front of the list without modifying the tail, you can't do that in a function (if you are okay modifying the tail then it's no problem because you could just add a cons after the head, and swap the CARs)
23:50:07
Xach
For those not in #quicklisp, verisimilitude/nickername is someone who wants to remain anonymous while submitting libraries to quicklisp. I told them I had to think about that a while, and every day, sometimes multiple times per day, they asked for status updates. I didn't want that pressure while thinking about it.
23:50:55
Xach
I decided I am ok with it, but I don't really appreciate the way it has been requested.
23:54:32
jasom
I'm just happy I live in a different world from verisimilitude; he seems to live in a world with a lot more idiots in it than mine.
0:18:37
jasom
is there a library that provides atomic increment/decrement operations across implementations?
0:29:38
sukaeto
Let's just say that verisimilitude hasn't been making the best impression on me since they've showed up here. I'll try to hold my tongue from here on out.
0:30:55
Bike
i am curious if/when quicklisp will be non-beta. of course it works pretty fine as-is, and i vaguely remember the block being documentation
0:43:17
p_l
Xach: I've been thinking recently about possibly packaging QL into separate static executable, kinda like roswell, to provide an environment a bit more familiar to newcomers (and to be able to easily link with TLS libs for verification)
2:20:32
z3t0
I am using QTools with SBCL and am having the application and sbcl crash once a window receives focus
2:54:25
iqubic
like prettify-symbols-alist and I want replace the entry ("<->" . 8596) with ("<->" . 8660).
2:56:01
Bike
(setf (alexandria:assoc-value "<->" alist :test #'string=) 8660) is how i'd do it probably
2:57:02
iqubic
I see. Why do you have to pull in a library for what I assume would be a simple operation.
2:58:28
Bike
(let ((pair (assoc "<->" alist :test #'string=))) (if (null pair) (push (cons "<->" 8660) alist) (setf (cdr pair) 8660)))
3:06:06
Bike
they have basically the same performance characteristics as alists, and match function call syntax
3:11:04
Bike
'(a . b) will evaluate to a cons, but it won't be freshly allocated at runtime, and as pierpa alluded to, a and b won't be evaluated as they would be in (cons a b)
3:12:45
iqubic
Now, this is going to sound stupid, but the THEN and ELSE arguments of the if macro can only ever be one s-exp, right?
3:13:44
iqubic
No. Emacs tells me that COND is only ever one s-exp, but ELSE can be as many as I want.
3:55:14
loke
beach: I created a bug report about the output recrod problem, as well as a simplified test case. I even created screenshots:
3:56:12
loke
beach: Thanks. I'd appreciate even the slightest hint as to where the problem could originate.
4:02:03
loke
beach: not this one, no. There are actually two separate issues relating to output records. I stumbles on both of them at the same time, but I discovered they are separate.
4:02:34
loke
The onw I posted just now is actually independent of the text. I'm still researching a good proposal for the other one.
4:03:38
loke
The text issue has to do with the fact that DRAW-TEXT is underspecified in that the output record can't draw transformed text. I have some ideas how to fix that one.
4:06:00
beach
The first thing I will do is to stick a call to Clouseau in there and examine the output-record hierarchy.
4:08:19
loke
The really weird part that I don't understand is why the second box gets revealed as I resize the window.
4:38:49
beach
Crap. Someone seems to have modified the inspector so that it now writes to standard-output, and it modifies the output history.
4:51:15
beach
loke: My tools are failing me, so this is going to take more than a few hours. I'll work on it during the day.
5:17:07
z3t0
this is odd, for some reason qTools works just fine using ccl on macos whereas sbcl fails horribly
5:23:39
mfiano
It's a known bug, and stassats recommends opting in to the mac beta (he said he won't fix it)
6:00:31
jasom
https://www.reddit.com/r/lisp/comments/8de7ol/notice_for_lisp_game_jammers_sbcl_macos_bug/