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7:47:06
JuanDaugherty
'the commercialization of the technical sector' may make sense in china or russia, but the technical sector originated in and never left the technical sector
7:49:38
hibikelel
Perhaps that was a poor turn of phrase, I was attempting to articulate the transition of general computing from the past-time of academics and amateur programmers through the mid-sixties into the late-seventies, into what we wolud consider the modern information economy. Time was unless you were manufacturing hardware there was almost no money to be made in computing outside of supporting a corporate
7:51:41
JuanDaugherty
even mathematics itself arose in the practical activities of accounting, surveying, etc
7:56:53
JuanDaugherty
probably the height of what you are talking about was in the late 70s and early 80s, a fairly brief time, less than a decade
7:59:23
JuanDaugherty
anyway, as far as your original paedogogical emergency, i'd give portacle a try, use the libs it provides
9:11:50
hajovonta
also, it's a lot of money just to travel and stay, and in the past few years it was nearly impossible to embark on the journey
11:31:09
namra
i'm pretty new to lisp and trying to read from a stream (that is returned instead of a string) as the response body of a get request using dexador
11:33:16
namra
thought that actually doesn't read anything from the stream, and i just can't figure out why
11:46:48
namra
i don't know if some of the dexador code read from the stream prior, which actually doesn't seem reasonable because it wouldn't make sense to return the stream than. though any code i wrote doesn't read from it prior to that.
11:52:33
FareTower
I know of babel. If you M-. on BABEL:UNICODE-CHAR it should take you to the definition.
11:58:28
namra
(make-array 1024 :fill-pointer 0 :adjustable t :element-type (stream-element-type response))
11:59:13
FareTower
maybe instead you should save the value given by read-sequence, and use it to set fill-pointer, or something
12:00:35
namra
the hyperspec states that read-sequence returns the position into the sequence (basically how many chars in this case have been read), but it always returns 0
12:06:58
FareTower
and yes, if alexandria doesn't have a read-sequence-extend function, maybe you can contribute it. Or to another library
12:09:26
FareTower
yes, it does, but this gentleman is reading from a stream. Maybe he wants slurp-stream-string.
12:09:33
shrdlu68
There doesn't seem to be a "maxcol" print arg to the ~D format directive. How does one limit the maximum width?
12:24:08
namra
shrdlu68: maybe you can achieve that with a conditional format directive, where the first argument checks if the number is to large
17:02:25
jmercouris
Xach: Is there a way to fetch the latest upstream version of a project available in quicklisp?
17:02:44
Xach
jmercouris: not directly, but all upstream sources are tracked in the quicklisp-projects github repo
17:09:19
jmercouris
Xach: I remember you told me some time ago, but let's say you have something installed via quicklisp, and something in your local-projects dir, how does ql decide which to load?
17:10:25
jmercouris
i guess that makes sense, becaause the user would have to manually do that meaning that is likely their intent
17:38:43
jmercouris
papachan: What do you mean better? if we don't know what the program is supposed to do, what is better or worse? You need to provide some context
18:46:13
Xach
This is a little tongue in cheek. Macros are the only reason I can imagine for allowing an empty setq/setf
18:56:09
kolb
is there a name for this (imho defining) property of Lisp that things like `(setf ,@bindings) work? This is how I got to appreciate it the most: http://people.cs.uchicago.edu/~wiseman/humor/large-programs.html
18:58:25
kolb
phoe: no I mean the fact that nil is a boolean, a symbol, a list, the "null value", things like (setq) work, ...
19:19:31
rme
In a way, I kind of like CL's weird things. It's like the people of Amsterdam who eat herring from the street vendors: it's weird to outsiders, but the locals like it.
19:27:55
FareTower
rme: I love CL, but I recognize it and its community are dysfunctional in many ways
19:29:59
FareTower
maybe attracted to lisp precisely because it can do so much with so little collaboration
19:33:45
warweasle
FareTower: I mean things like "true" and "false". print and such. People expect it.
19:44:49
rme
I'm trying to look in the mirror to see if I'm autistic, neophobic, and quirky. Maybe I'm a little neophobic, but that's partly because change is inevitable but progress is not.
19:46:51
FareTower
lispers like to boast about all the innovation that lisp was about, but do precious little innovation these days