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Wednesday, 13th of December 2017, 21:00:13 UTC
21:13:52
Fare
Xach: for this log, did you concatenate multiple sessions? One to discover all the systems defined in that file, then one for each system?
21:22:31
flip214
Who could help me get more information about ELS 2018? Our HR needs some informations that are not on the website yet (don't know which ones, though); who could I send the questions to?
21:23:14
Shinmera
The mailing list that's linked
21:23:27
Shinmera
Or the webmaster, which is also linked.
21:24:10
flip214
Shinmera: okay, thanks a lot... can you tell me the fees of 2017? I guess that's the data they want to know.
21:27:05
Younder
That bot you have on this channel working?
21:27:53
Shinmera
There's at least a dozen bots here.
21:28:13
Shinmera
Which one are you talking about?
21:30:10
Younder
I can't remember, I have always assumed there was just one
21:30:26
flip214
Younder: I guess you think about minion?
21:30:46
Shinmera
There's minion, specbot, Colleen that I know of.
21:32:53
minion
watch out, you'll make krystof angry
21:34:17
specbot
http://www.lispworks.com/reference/HyperSpec/Body/a_pl.htm
21:34:43
flip214
Younder: minion's the one taking memos
21:35:56
Younder
flip214, Ahh, I was looking for the one doing lisp calculations. Anyhow is krystof still here?
21:36:53
jackdaniel
minion: are you a bot?
21:36:53
minion
Would you /please/ stop playing with me? 3 messages in 27 seconds is too many.
21:37:27
jmercouris
minion: What's your favorite food?
21:37:56
jmercouris
It was worth a shot, best to head over to #emacs and type ",faith"
21:38:44
jmercouris
rumbler31: Lol you posted just before me
21:39:11
rumbler31
there's a bot on here or #emacs that will crash with gently malformed urls
21:39:16
Younder
minion store John is the best
21:40:46
Younder
That was supposed to be worst..
21:56:31
flip214
minion: memo for Younder: speak slowly and carry a megawatt-laser.
21:56:31
minion
Remembered. I'll tell Younder when he/she/it next speaks.
22:03:36
Xach
Though I don't know if system discovery is logged
22:06:56
ealfonso
is there a way to get rid of the surrounding |? (intern (format nil "xdotool-type-~A" "name")) => |xdotool-type-name|
22:08:20
_death
it's just escaping, the symbol name does not contain any #\| characters
22:08:49
ealfonso
so I can't intern a lowercase symbol?
22:08:51
ahungry
CL symbols are not case sensitive unless the pipes surround it
22:09:10
ahungry
you are interning a lowercase, but the only way to tell the program its 'this' is |this| otherwise this = THIS
22:11:17
aeth
You probably want to string-upcase it
22:11:27
ahungry
(setq |a| 1) (setq a 2) (symbol-value (intern "a")) => 1, (symbol-value (intern "A")) => 2
22:11:29
u0_a166
(make-symbol "Hello,World!")
22:14:48
aeth
What I do for things like this is #.(symbol-name '#:whatever-the-prefix-is-) because technically you can change how the reader case works to not upcase things. So this makes it into an upper case string at read time through the otherwise not very useful #. read eval feature
22:17:20
Fare
Xach: OK, I believe the build of influxdb is confused because cl-graph declares an absent file index.md, and this causes ASDF to think its build is incomplete
22:20:10
aeth
#.(symbol-name '#:whatever-the-prefix-is-) => "WHATEVER-THE-PREFIX-IS-" or "whatever-the-prefix-is-" depending on the readtable case
22:20:57
aeth
e.g. (let ((*readtable* (copy-readtable *readtable*))) (setf (readtable-case *readtable*) :preserve) (format t "~A~%" (read-from-string "hello")))
22:22:09
aeth
although, actually, that wouldn't help if they rebind the readtable like in that example, it would have to happen before the file is read, afaik
22:30:50
pjb
ealfonso: (SETF (READTABLE-CASE *READTABLE*) :PRESERVE *PRINT-CASE* :UPCASE)
22:31:27
pjb
ealfonso: you may also try :INVERT instead of :PRESERVE, but it works only for symbols not having mixed case characters.
23:22:55
Fare
Xach: it looks like badly named secondary systems for in defsystem-connection might be to blame.
2:36:25
attila_lendvai
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3:29:42
beach
Good morning everyone!
7:10:20
poorbean
hi I'm new in lisp, but python in mit is very bad to me. C beginning book is better, but I don't know which book is good? Thanks
7:11:22
beach
Wrong channel. This channel is dedicated to Common Lisp.
7:15:20
poorbean
Hi beach can you help me, I'm Chinese. But I don't know the good book in begin when someone to competition?
7:15:38
Shinmera
I wonder why it happens so often that scheme people tumble in here when there's literally a channel called #scheme.
7:16:11
beach
poorbean: Like I said, this channel is dedicated to Common Lisp. If you want help with Common Lisp books, this is the right place to ask.
7:16:26
beach
poorbean: But if you want advice about Scheme books, you are better off asking in #scheme.
7:16:28
hajovonta
poorbean: scheme is different than Common Lisp
7:16:56
hajovonta
it's another lisp dialect
7:17:52
hajovonta
how would you explain it to a beginner?
7:19:07
beach
What Scheme is? A programming language that is not Common Lisp.
7:21:31
jackdaniel
well, many people include scheme in Lisp language family.
7:21:56
Zhivago
It should rather be that Common Lisp is in the Scheme family, sort of.
7:22:20
Zhivago
Since that's where it got its lexical scoping from.
7:22:27
jackdaniel
yes, that's why definite answer, that it is not lisp is not entirely fair
7:22:43
Zhivago
I think the claim was that it is not Common Lisp.
7:22:57
jackdaniel
it is not common lisp of course
7:23:01
jackdaniel
maybe I did read it wrong
7:23:04
beach
jackdaniel: I was merely pointing out that whether this or that language is "a Lisp" is not something that is widely agreed upon.
7:23:09
Zhivago
Personally, I'd rather common lisp staked out #commonlisp or something.
7:23:58
beach
Sorry, my fault. Let's drop it.
7:24:43
Zhivago
It's not like lisp is so incredibly popular that we need to be so exclusive. :)
7:38:38
Fare
poorbean, Scheme books for beginners include How to Design Programs, The Little Schemer.
8:35:50
ambisinistrous
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Thursday, 14th of December 2017, 9:00:13 UTC