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5:29:33
mfiano
estimated from log file sizes with non-channel-messages stripped, for about a decade of data, that is.
5:31:30
mfiano
It has been a bit less active the last month or 2, but that is expected to pick up again next month when the jam starts. might be a good time to mention if anyone is interested: https://itch.io/jam/lisp-game-jam-2017-hard-mode
6:23:24
Shinmera
hjudt: If you have few pages, make a file per page. If you have lots with little code, make one file that activates the code depending on which page you're on.
16:07:54
dim
also changed a build+walk into a build-time for a recursive data structure with “chapter numbering”, which is nice
16:19:45
beach
It would be illegal, because the book has a copyright which makes it illegal to copy it.
16:20:56
pjb
listpr: you will have to wait 70 years after the death of the authors. Next time, be more careful who you elect to make your laws!
16:21:05
beach
I am sorry to tell you that this is the case, especially since we are on freenode, but that's the law in most countries who signed the Berne Convention.
16:24:40
pjb
Big companies are also against software patents. It's a burden for them too to have to build patents portfolio to avoid lawsuits…
16:25:58
beach
They ought to be against software patents. It is not that clear to me that most of them actually are. I often find that companies do not act in their own best interest.
16:31:20
Shinmera
PAIP is pretty expensive due to it not being in print anymore, but I don't regret spending the money on it that I did
16:33:02
beach
I don't regret buying it either (I bought it when it was still in print). But I can understand people who (need to) have different priorities in their budgets.
16:33:33
Xach
It can occasionally be found used on ebay for a fraction of the normal used cost. (I realize this only works if you have easy access to ebay and cheap shipping.)
16:34:24
_death
Norvig mentioned to me some years ago that he planned on making it freely available, so somebody may want to inquire him on the matter
16:37:15
Shinmera
That doesn't go that far back, unfortunately, but they've been pretty close during my lifetime.
16:38:35
beach
_death: Norvig might not be at liberty to do that. I am pretty sure it would require some negotiations with the publisher.
16:38:57
Shinmera
Oh, this site allows you to go back really far: https://tradingeconomics.com/switzerland/currency (click "historical" and then "max")
16:47:46
beach
jasom: In fact, it is not very much about AI at all, other than the example domains that have been chosen. It is more about general techniques for programming in Common Lisp.
16:48:12
Shinmera
Well, I would say it is very much about AI, but perhaps not in the way that we like to think of AI.
16:48:19
jasom
ACTION is surprised that a book can be going for high prices used and not be in print (assuming someone has the rights to publish it). It's not that expensive to print a book, so unless Norvig is guaranteed unreasonably high royalties, they're leaving money on the table.
16:48:29
Shinmera
It would perhaps be more appropriate to say that it's about general problem solving techniques.
16:49:11
jasom
It's from an era when AI was more about teaching machines to solve problems through first principles rather than probabalistic techniques
16:51:17
Shinmera
ETH's library is so immense it's practically guaranteed they have a copy, but I never checked, heh
16:51:56
Shinmera
Eidgenössische Technische Hochschule (Federal Institute of Technology). Switzerland's top university.
16:53:29
jasom
hah, my neighbor also speaks swiss german which is frustrating because I know enough german to barely get by in germany which means I understand less than 10% of the words he speaks
16:53:45
shrdlu68
Wasn't the only lisp book I found, also found a seemingly little-known gem of computational semantics written by Wilks and Charniark, and other fun stuff.
16:54:42
Shinmera
jasom: So he talks Swiss German with you? That's kinda rude. A lot of people will switch to German if they know the other doesn't speak Swiss.
16:57:05
jasom
thought it's been long enough since I've been to germany or austria that german is rapidly moving into that category too
16:57:50
jasom
haha "I know all of those words, just not well enough to understand how they fit together"
16:58:10
beach
ACTION vanishes because his (admittedly small) family is announcing that dinner is ready.
16:58:43
jasom
Shinmera: read beach's papers if you get a chance, he has most of then up on the web and they are quit accessible with just a bit of extra reading
16:59:27
jasom
beach apparently hasn't learned the fine art of sounding more erudite by obfuscating your language that many other PhDs seem to use...
17:00:02
jasom
And also having exactly one less diagram than would be needed to easily communicate your point.
17:01:33
jasom
one of my former profs had a great article on how to insult CS researchers. https://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/dec/essay.criticize.html