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5:08:19
beach
Well, (first) Climacs is OK, but not great for someone who are used to slime-indentation, etc.
5:08:50
beach
But the plan for Second Climacs is to be better than Emacs for editing Common Lisp code.
5:11:15
loke
pillton: A Second Climacs would be nice, as it could perhaps be good at eidting Maxima code too :-)
5:13:01
pillton
I installed McCLIM for the purposes of trying Climaxima out and to write a few small applications.
5:14:00
beach
I have said this before, but I'll say it again: I think jackdaniel and all the other people working on McCLIM are doing a fantastic job. Thanks to them, I now firmly believe that McCLIM is over the hump. More people get excited by what we have and by the activity that they see, which will generate more activity and more interest. This is a truly exciting development.
5:17:54
beach
I think it shows, for the umpteenth time, that there is no rush. We can take our time and do it right.
5:27:09
loke
Of course, you can't then have activation gestures happening in one application that affects another.
5:27:30
loke
We've discussed aprpoaches to deal with that here, but it's not clear which is the ideal.
5:55:00
loke
pillton: If (when) you see problems, just create a bug report. I love having bug reports filed on my work :-)
6:00:53
pillton
Ok. I cannot run the AppImage as it appears Debian stretch doesn't support squashfs.
10:18:29
jackdaniel
even better, we sometimes bind *query-io* in a confusing manner (when frame-query-io yields NIL we bind it to the current *query-io*)
11:29:46
jackdaniel
exactly what names sugests, return frame-query-io. in the spec it will be: (or frame-input-stream frame-output-stream)
11:49:11
jackdaniel
jossr: this solution for the list panes is incorrect, I'm not sure yet what will be the correct solution though. it is incorrect, because it shouldn't clip max-height (it should shrink the viewport)
13:21:58
josrr
loke: "Why does this function accept a FRAME argument?...": I do not know what I was thinking.
13:46:33
loke
jackdaniel: Thanks. I was at the office when I was asking that, so no acess to the clim spec site
14:27:15
jackdaniel
beach: regarding progress, we are still far away from something giving a pleasent experience (to either a programmer or a user); we are slowly getting to something usable for wider audience though
14:32:39
heisig
jackdaniel: I don't think there is any GUI framework out there that I would call a 'pleasant experience'.
14:33:52
heisig
But at the current pace, McCLIM could soon be the 'least horrible GUI framework on the planet' :)
14:36:48
beach
jackdaniel: Maybe so. I was merely speculating about McCLIM being "over the hump", by which I mean that, before, people would just turn away and go do something else, whereas now, people are more likely to want to use it and help out.