10:00:17Inlinejackdaniel: anyway i solved my problem tho
10:01:01Inlinejackdaniel: the overlaying() is already doing a vertically() there (it's own local definition), when i removed the extra vertically() it was all fine
10:02:49Inlinejackdaniel: and i can now both invoke it scrollbarred or not depending on how i invoke my app with (setf climacs-gui::*with-scrollbars* nil (or :both or :vertical or :horizontal)) etc..