15:10:20beachPretty sure Drei is fixable. Athas did a lot of work to separate (first) Climacs into Drei and the rest of the stuff.
15:10:28beachI am not sure I am willing to do the same for Second Climacs.
15:10:46beachBut maybe at some point someone should. It's some time in the future still though.
15:11:36jackdanielbtw, I think it's a kludge, that Drei depends on ESA, which depends on clim-core, but text-editor-substrate depends on Drei
15:12:07beachWhy is it a kludge and why is it a problem?
15:13:08jackdanielit's not a big problem. It's a kludge, because we have a Library, which depends on McCLIM, but McCLIM depends on that library too. That makes simplifying dep graph quite impossible with this regard
15:13:31beachDo you mean that Drei is that library?
15:13:40beachIt is not quite a library in that sense.
15:13:53beachIt is an integral part of McCLIM in that it *is* the input editor.
15:14:36beach... but it would be quite messy to put all the Drei code in CLIM-INTERNALS.
15:16:05jackdanielyes, I agree. my point is that we can't have two systems: mcclim/core and mcclim/backend where first has two modules, "basic" and "core" and the second picks the most appropriate backend for a platform, because between "basic" and "core" there is Drei - that's why I've said kludge
15:16:40jackdanielnow we have clim-basic, esa, drei, clim-core, clim systems, which make a core altogether
15:17:23jackdanielnothing we need to especially worry about