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16:02:49
beach
I personally think that a few selected people could get SICL and a very good development environment going in a few years.
16:03:04
nyef
On the technical level, there's basically no agreement on implementation technology. And the existing options largely suck. On the project level, it's almost invariably an afterthought, and cut due to time pressure. And then writing good documentation is a *skillset*.
16:04:31
beach
I am also already putting in a modest amount of money by paying Bike 500€ per month for 6 months. He determines the percentage that this is worth.
16:05:05
beach
This is good because drmeister is also paying him some, and Cleavir work can be done by working on Clasp.
16:05:50
beach
I paid jackdaniel to maintain McCLIM for a while, and he was so grateful that he now does it for free. :)
16:06:28
beach
nyef: So now we have three selected people, but not full time. I think Bike and jackdaniel are both good choices for their respective tasks.
16:06:35
jackdaniel
yeah, on April I'll have more time for it, I had a lot of things happening on March
16:06:40
nyef
There's also this attitude, with very vocal proponents, that in order to use Lisp, you must use Emacs and SLIME, and that's spectacularly unhelpful.
16:09:41
beach
nyef: I am also working very hard to make it more accessible to improve things further. What I do is not enough, I know. But I think the current infrastructure makes it way too hard for people to dive in and contribute.
16:10:22
nyef
Mmm. And it's not necessarily the technical infrastructure that's the barrier, but the social infrastructure.
16:11:45
nyef
Yes, both. But the technical infrastructure is a mere matter of software. The social infrastructure requires social engineering.
16:11:58
jackdaniel
if you don't know how to build software (no entry point), then you may get discouraged
16:12:13
nyef
beach: Absolutely, but it might be tomorrow afternoon/evening your time at the earliest.
16:15:43
nyef
Mmm. I'm not necessarily that experienced in working in a group either, but I try to give the social aspects some consideration.
16:18:19
nyef
A large aspect of social engineering seems to be making it easier to do the right thing than to do the wrong thing.