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15:11:35
ck_
beach: how does it fail? I think the best course is to check whether *truetype-font-path* contains some of the fonts it needs first.
15:19:05
beach
It fails with a condition being signaled, and the condition reporter said: McCLIM was unable to configure itself automatically using fontconfig. Therefore you must configure it manually.
15:22:53
loke
beach: By the way, I just realised that I can't actually cache the fline height in the LINE instance... Because the you can have the same buffer showing in mltiple panes, each with a different font. So the cache has to be linked to the frame, not the buffer
15:23:59
beach
Component #:CL-FREETYPE2 not found, required by #<SYSTEM "mcclim-fonts/clx-freetype">
15:35:17
ck_
beach: then I don't understand what the problem is, sorry. When I encountered that problem (when I first ran mcclim), I saw the same warning, spawned by warn-about-unset-font-path in extensions/fonts/fontconfig.lisp
15:39:08
loke
Then I have no idea. Might be something with asdf. Never heard abou anyone having that problem, but then again, I think almost everybody uses QL
15:39:55
loke
Of course, but it's the discussion we've had previously. There simply isn't any pure Lisp alternative to Fontconfig, Freetype or Harfbuzz.
15:42:08
beach
What I really want to do is to configure the font stuff manually, as per the first message.
15:45:04
ck_
I believe that you set mcclim-truetype:*families/faces* to a plist of entries like ((:serif :roman) . #P"/Path/to/A Roman Font.ttf")
15:45:19
jackdaniel
loke: our implementation *is* such alternative in pure lisp. you may point many disadvantages (i.e shaping), but it doesn't make it a "nonalternative" -- especually that nomen omen mostly used language is Engliah
15:47:31
scymtym
jackdaniel: i made (on irc) a few comments regarding the question on the mailing list. should be in the logs
15:47:32
loke
jackdaniel: Well, we've discussed this in the past, and I if I recall correctly we're not actually disagreeing on the facts. We simply have different opinions as to what a valid alternative actually means.
15:48:51
loke
Given the context, I thought it was obvious that I meant “Lisp alternative to opentype support/Shaping/integration with the platform font management”
15:54:00
beach
If so, how would I create a PRESENT presentation method to change the way my header objects are shown? What would be the type, the view, etc.?
16:00:15
scymtym
beach: that would be (defmethod inspect-object-using-state ((object YOUR-CLASS) (state inspected-instance (or CUSTOM-STATE-CLASS)) (style (eql :collapsed)) (stream extended-output-stream)) …)
16:00:29
scymtym
and (defmethod inspect-object-using-state ((object YOUR-CLASS) (state INSPECTED-INSTANCE-OR-CUSTOM-CLASS) (style (eql :badges)) (stream extended-output-stream)) …) for adding badges
16:04:21
scymtym
well, in the expanded header. sorry, i confused :collapsed and :expanded-header above
16:06:03
admich
trying to solve issue 854 I have found the generic CLIMB:TEXT-STYLE-TO-FONT. What is the difference between this and the generic TEXT-STYLE-MAPPING that is in the CLIM spec? Seems to me that they have the same goal.
16:07:21
beach
scymtym: Check the direct-subclasses slot in: http://metamodular.com/inspect-boot.png
16:08:26
beach
scymtym: But the direct-slots slot also has HEADERs. They are inspected, so my methods are used.
16:09:37
scymtym
beach: i see. direct-subclasses is just the :collapsed representation of the list which PRINTS list elements, direct-slots uses the :expanded representation of the list which presents elements using Clouseau's machinery
16:10:41
scymtym
admich: jackdaniel is probably best qualified to answer this question, but as i understand it, he has limited bandwidth for irc discussion at the moment
16:12:48
scymtym
beach: i see two possible solutions: 1) print :collapsed lists using a custom printer that does all the work and presents list elements using Clouseau's machinery 2) print :collapsed lists using a pprint dispatch that delegates to Clouseau's machinery
16:14:15
beach
scymtym: Thanks. I'll contemplate those possibilities. Like I said, it is not essential so I am not in a rush.
16:16:07
scymtym
beach: i could also work on this. the only downside i see is the inconsistency it introduces: expanding something normally doesn't cause its children to be expanded
18:58:02
jackdaniel
loke: I don't understand what it means then, that there are "no alternatives" if you take verbatim exact same behavior the libraries present
18:58:23
jackdaniel
I could say: there are no alternatives to glibc given exactly what glibc does - such statement has no cognitive value
19:00:15
jackdaniel
also, if I grasp logs correctly, context was that our /alternative/ to fontconfig can't find fonts, so it must be configured manually