14:27:15jackdanielbeach: regarding progress, we are still far away from something giving a pleasent experience (to either a programmer or a user); we are slowly getting to something usable for wider audience though
14:32:39heisigjackdaniel: I don't think there is any GUI framework out there that I would call a 'pleasant experience'.
14:33:52heisigBut at the current pace, McCLIM could soon be the 'least horrible GUI framework on the planet' :)
14:36:48beachjackdaniel: Maybe so. I was merely speculating about McCLIM being "over the hump", by which I mean that, before, people would just turn away and go do something else, whereas now, people are more likely to want to use it and help out.