15:26:37jackdanielwhat is the application-pane if you have no medium nor backend to work with it?
15:35:40jackdaniel(sheets, as abstract entities, may be created in vain, but pane is a concrete realization of the coded concept)
17:22:49slyrus2jackdaniel: where does the spec forbid make-instance'ing panes?
17:43:28jackdanielslyrus: according to 29.9 you may use make-instance. whenever it may be used outside the context of the application-frame is another question (make-pane must be invoked in either :pane, :panes or within with-look-and-feel-realization)
17:44:04jackdanielso my claim that spec forbids it was wrong
19:35:03slyrus1jackdaniel: ok, thanks. The whole :panes thing is nice for quick demos, but breaks down for more complex applications, IMO. But that's the subject for another day's gripe.