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2:30:50
stacksmith
Is there a simple way to find out how many lines of text fit into a pane? Or to output into it until text will clip? I am trying to do it in a display method, with incremental redisplay...
4:36:36
loke
that raises an important point; what is the best way for project talk? IRC is quite informatl. Should there be a mailing list? Is there one?
4:56:03
beach
So if that happens to be when you are there, I might stay overnight, ether before or after.
5:14:30
loke
I'll be speaking to developers, so I don't want to seem like I'm some MBA handing down edicts. :-)
5:15:31
loke
Here, most people do, but there is exactly one person here that constantly wears a tie. I have no idea why.
5:16:19
loke
People tend to wear ties for formal sales meetings. They may even wear a suit jacket for such purposes, but that rarely happens in our office (it's for visits)
5:42:47
jackdaniel
loke: we have a mailing list, it is quite quiet lately, but this could be because people don't have much to say
6:35:25
jackdaniel
to see things how they really are with transformed ink in polygons I need to start xephyr
6:38:11
jackdaniel
no, it seems that in my xorg-server-intel for these requests gc-clip 0,0 is at the beginning of the screen (what is a bug, because x11 protocol says they are start of the window)
6:38:34
jackdaniel
and it works just fine on other xorg-server's (at least on xephyr and on whatever scymtym uses)
6:49:05
jackdaniel
could anyone review this PR https://github.com/McCLIM/McCLIM/pull/541 with regard to conformance / implications? it links to the underlying issue which pointed out the regression
6:50:50
loke
I guess I don't understand the problem, since I don't see why you can't just always evaluate?
6:52:30
jackdaniel
during these two years some code may have been written which works on that premise
6:54:08
jackdaniel
another thing (which is discusable) is that these whole "evaluating types" thing is highly confusing and shouldn't be that way imho
7:38:39
loke
The way it's implemented is interesting. I believe it creates a backing method that specialises on the resulting type, and it instantiates it using ALLOCATE-INSTANCE so that you can dispatch on it.
7:49:15
jackdaniel
they did, however very bad one, since many things which could be done at compilation time is shaved at runtime
8:06:31
jackdaniel
so close. all I wanted to work is functional now. at the moment I'm fixing things which were broken before branching (i.e over-compositums as inks)
8:08:52
jackdaniel
but there is still a lot to do (re-adding xrender transformations for images implemented by loke, text transformation for truetype renderer etc)
8:11:44
jackdaniel
uh oh, they plan to patent mcclim: https://patents.google.com/patent/US20180239622A1/en
8:40:56
jackdaniel
while the mechanism was first invented in Italy to make people copy ideas (!) from other countries
8:42:17
jackdaniel
from ethical standpoint "secret recipes" are much better, because you are not prohibited to invent something on your own without knowledge about said recipe
8:43:19
jackdaniel
I acknowledge the fact, that many people would disagree with such standpoint (however it is a pretty common standpoint among software engineers)
8:55:44
loke
Also, how many times did you understand an idea after reading its patent? That was the whole purpose of them to begin with; to share ideas.
8:56:05
loke
Noe they are written as obscurely as possible in order to cover everything that the author didn't even intend.
8:57:33
jackdaniel
loke: whole purpose of them (to begin with) was to incentivize investors in italy to import inventions from other countries (and as a reward, they had a 5y monopoly for said inventions)
9:00:17
jackdaniel
I'm not sure if this wiki article goes into historical background of that, I've read about it in another source
9:08:49
loke
Speaking of rights (well, copyright and not patent, but that one is equally messed up):
9:10:44
jackdaniel
I think that false claims should be penalized enough to discourage industry with automatic filters like this
9:12:38
loke
Most of the time I'm quite happy with EU decisions but they really screwed up this time.
9:14:02
jackdaniel
I'm not very excited with many things coming from EU decisions, but this one is a disaster ineed