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12:58:50
jackdaniel
if yes, here is a pull request (with anniversary index 404): https://github.com/robert-strandh/McCLIM/pull/404
15:36:21
nyef``
Any time I think of an actually *good* debugger experience that I've had, the debugger has been integrated into the IDE that I've been using at the time. Any time that I've seen GNU Emacs built up to the point of being "an IDE", the result has been *dreadful*.
15:39:58
nyef``
Hypothesis: A good source-level debugger is part of an "IDE", for two reasons. One, an IDE without debugging support is incomplete. And two, a source-level debugger that doesn't operate in terms of the source *in context* is a poor experience.
15:42:52
stassats
to put it even more widely, i don't i've ever had good experience using UI of any open source program
15:43:11
nyef``
I see things like ECB, and they look like someone saw Visual Studio and decided to create a knock-off using emacs, while substantially missing the point.
15:44:56
stassats
complicated UIs take a lot of effort, and not many hobbyists are willing to put in that effort
15:47:20
nyef``
Heh. Look at how long it took for SBCL to support MacRoman, vs. how long it took to support EBCDIC. (-:
15:47:39
stassats
it'll probably take me a day to add CRLF to SBCL, but i've been delaying it for years
15:48:19
nyef``
Mmm. If I still used Windows, I'd probably have gotten sufficiently pissed off about it to fix it years ago.
15:57:45
hooman
not many things use gnu emacs UI =/ widgets and tree views and such, like customize, or slime inspect
19:36:22
nyef``
stassats: While I'm here, (nth-arg 0 :key key) or (key-of (nth-arg 0))? And (key-of (elements-of (nth-arg 1))), or (elements-of (nth-arg 1) :key key), or (elements-of (nth-arg 1 :key key))?
20:51:53
nyef``
rumbler31: https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/310185 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/sbcl/+bug/720517
20:54:27
rumbler31
if it makes you feel any better, ccl's default for line endings is :unix on all platforms, instead of :default, which is smart enough to figure out which line ending style to use. They didn't like that question on the mailing list
20:56:30
rumbler31
although fwiw I had to work with a sensor that would sometimes randomly change its line ending style in the middle of a communications session. So I had to write my own "anything that looks like a line endings" handler. So I suppose the lesson is that you can't win
20:57:08
nyef``
"You can't win, you can only break even at absolute zero, and you can't get to absolute zero."