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3:54:05
beach
Good morning everyone!
5:13:50
johnjay
are all u people in the shengen zone
5:13:56
johnjay
and that's why you are here at this hour lol
5:15:14
johnjay
anyway i tried using climacs on sbcl a few times
5:15:21
johnjay
but I kept getting crashes from drei
5:15:30
johnjay
is that expected and what exactly does drei do?
5:22:12
beach
That is not expected.
5:22:53
beach
Drei is Climacs without the full application frame. It is used as the input editor in McCLIM.
5:23:40
beach
So Drei is basically the single-buffer version of Climacs. Climacs then adds a minibuffer, multiple buffers, etc.
5:25:38
beach
I am in UTC+1 and so is jackdaniel. But slyrus is in UTC-8 as I recall, and loke is usually in UTC+8, but right now in UTC+1.
5:33:24
johnjay
i understand mcclim is a work in progress
5:33:43
johnjay
i guess what i meant is, is drei a relatively mature part or not
5:34:10
johnjay
so that crashes wouldn't be too out of the ordinary
5:34:16
johnjay
i didn't do anything weird either
5:34:32
johnjay
debian. just started climacs and opened the help menu, tried a few key combos
5:38:40
johnjay
the mcclim mailing list is pretty dead too
5:53:17
beach
Here is a good place, except that jackdaniel just had a daughter, so he is pretty busy.
5:53:49
beach
Yes, McCLIM is work in progress, but it is very close to being mature, so this kind of failure should be reported.
5:54:07
beach
You can make an issue on GitHub.
5:54:22
beach
And you should mention how you obtained Climacs.
5:57:36
johnjay
does quicklisp download latest sources for everything?
5:57:54
johnjay
i'm on debian and had to install a package in apt-get called cl-clx-sbcl before things would work
5:58:14
johnjay
so i'm not sure how to separate out what my distro provided from what quicklisp downloads when I type (ql:quickload "climacs")
5:59:29
beach
I have not kept up with the details.
5:59:31
johnjay
before i did the quickload failed with errors about clx, presumably because i didn't have it
5:59:42
johnjay
well debian might be unique
5:59:54
johnjay
i know that even with emacs i had to separately install the info pages for some reason
5:59:58
beach
There have been some problems with CLX as I recall.
6:00:16
johnjay
ah ok. well i'm us time so time for sleep
6:00:17
beach
There were some unfortunate updates that were canceled.
6:00:20
johnjay
but i'll see what i can do tomorrow
6:00:30
johnjay
can you at least give me some idea
6:00:33
johnjay
what the boundaries are?
6:00:34
beach
Create an issue, and I am sure jackdaniel will answer.
6:00:42
johnjay
like are clx, drei, mcclim all separate things ?
6:00:57
beach
CLX an McCLIM are separate.
6:01:01
beach
Drei is part of McCLIM
6:01:13
johnjay
and climacs is separate from all of them?
6:01:14
beach
Climacs is separate and depends on McCLIM/Drei.
6:01:23
beach
McCLIM depends on CLX.
6:01:28
johnjay
is mcclim only for X?
6:01:51
johnjay
i'm not even sure if sbcl is available on windows actually
6:01:53
beach
Currently, CLX is the only working backend, but that's not by design.
6:02:16
beach
McCLIM works with other Common Lisp implementations.
6:02:22
beach
Clasp is the latest one.
6:02:26
johnjay
yes i got that impression from the allegro mention
6:02:55
beach
I am not sure we have tested McCLIM on the commercial implementations, but they have their own CLIM implementations.
6:03:57
beach
Normally, jackdaniel would handle your problem instantly, but I am sure the new baby takes priority.