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22:56:49
nyef
Just tried that shift-drag to copy thing, and it works... sort-of. It doesn't copy typed presentation input.
23:12:47
nyef
Eesh. Open a listener. Enter (+ 3 4) and execute it. Now, mouse-over the form and pop up the menu. Mouse-over the "Describe" option. WTF is with the outline there?
23:14:53
nyef
That's actually one of the major usability issues that I have with the listener sorted.
23:16:35
nyef
M-p at a listener prompt to pull up non-form input presents it as a form rather than a command.
3:55:56
beach
nyef: My last name is Strandh. There is a tradition in Sweden to add characters that are not pronounced, or to substitute characters that are pronounced the same, so "strand" means "beach" or "shore".
3:56:58
beach
nyef: You see aberrations like "svärd" (which means "sword"), as a name, being spelled like "Swerdh".
3:58:24
beach
nyef: If it were German, rather than Swedish, it might have been spelled "Strandt". But it is not German.
4:01:00
loke
Further back, there was also no standard spelling of Swedish, which is why in old texts you can see all kinds of spelling variations of the same words. It was a mss. In 1801 there was a major normalisation of spelling, but the 1906 one is where the H got removed in most places.
4:02:02
beach
I have a further suggested spelling reform. Spell all the "sj" sounds with "w" and all the "tj" sounds with "x".
4:02:40
beach
And spell "taxi" as "taksi" instead to avoid confusion. That's already how it is spelled in Finnish I believe.
4:04:04
loke
beach: Who not simply use ɕ and ɧ? THose are the IPA symbols for the sounds, are they not?
4:06:07
beach
Those are on most Swedish keyboards, I think. And if not, latin-1 input mode can do them easily.
4:06:32
loke
Interesting quote from Wikipedia: 1800-talets förslag att förenkla stavningen av j- (g, dj, gj, hj, lj) och sje-ljudet (stj, skj, sk, sch, sh, ch, g, j, i, ssi, si, ti, gi) har aldrig genomförts. Senare tiders försök till förändringar har gällt enstaka ord som mej, dej, jos, sebra, men har inte varit framgångsrika
4:07:48
loke
I remember when "jos" was used, really ugly, and and it's not just be being an old fart. I was in my teens when that happened.
4:09:49
beach
Why do you accept "sky" (i.e. juice from meat, jus in French) but not "jos" (i.e. juice from fruit, juice in English, jus in French)? The two are the same words.
4:12:19
loke
I think, at least for me, I have an aversion to the letters "jo" in the beginning of a word.
4:21:01
loke
beach: Hmm.... Not as bad actually... Perhaps the subsequent H makes it more palatable to me?
7:53:13
scymtym
working on package-based colors and timeline for thread and temporal interval selection: https://techfak.de/~jmoringe/clamegraph2.png
7:56:00
scymtym
jack_rabbit: it shows an approximation of the times spent executed functions and their all of their callees
7:56:45
scymtym
a flamegraph visualization of statistical profiler results for multiple threads if you are familiar with the terms
7:57:25
scymtym
jack_rabbit: not yet. it relies on modifications in SBCL profiler and i started working on the visualization part, like, staturday
9:40:36
scymtym
i have to say, even though this is barely usable at the moment, the experience is already completely different from profiling with slime or SBCL's builtin tools
9:41:33
scymtym
playing with the thing for 10 seconds and i immediately see a few curious things i want to investigate
9:42:00
jackdaniel
scymtym: when you are done, I'd love to include screenshot of it on McCLIM website, or even a gif image showing interaction
9:44:14
scymtym
i will try to make a demonstration because i'm never sure whether i'm just doing it wrong
9:44:48
jackdaniel
regarding growing pane automatically and making bounding-rectangle clipped, I think I need some time to think whenever we are not breaking something
9:45:17
scymtym
beach: i can probably make available a reasonable version after two more SBCL releases. i had to extend the profiler to record time- and thread-related information
9:46:40
scymtym
jackdaniel: sure, so far i find clim awesome but very confusing at the same time. i'm sure those things are hard to figure out
9:49:52
loke
CLIM is neat, but it's not good for general purpose UI's. There are plenty of UI paradigms that CLIM is not good for.
9:50:34
loke
It's because of that client I was talking to you about having a word-wrapping text editor
9:51:01
jackdaniel
I think that it is possible to bend McCLIM interfaces with extensions into something more bearable to commoners, but that requires careful design
9:52:39
jackdaniel
OK, I have things to catch up, whole morning wasted for server resuscitation. it happens that one of OVH datacenters had serious network issue
9:52:50
loke
beach&JD: am I correct in my assertion that there currently is no way to have a simple way of inputting multiline word-wrapped text? (i.e. the text input for a Mastodon post)
9:54:29
jackdaniel
if it just a matter of modyfing text-output-streams, then adding word-wrap is easy (I know that after investigating race issues and recording)
9:55:07
beach
loke: If you require the wrapping to change when the window is resized, then you are right.
9:56:22
jackdaniel
I think that initial loke solution to call redisplay on resize may be a good fit for *some* applications or gadgets
10:00:16
loke
beach: During resize would be nice, but I was specifically thinking of the case where you type too much to fix in the width of the input box. I'd like there to be a word-wrap so that the ext continues on the next line. Currently, the cursor just keeps moving outside the bounds of the text box.
10:03:07
jackdaniel
it is, and text wrapping in input boxes isn't trivial at all. because you may remove characters, so it must support unwrapping as well