freenode/#clim - IRC Chatlog
11:13:43
nyef
I play a variant with irregularly-shaped subregions and instead of the grid being seeded with numbers, there are *more* subregions of varying sizes marked with the total of all the digits inside.
11:54:57
nyef
Unfortunately, Linux tends to be completely useless at getting files off an Android device, or I'd be able to share a screenshot. /-:
11:59:44
beach
flip214: Thanks. I don't think I will study it right away. I need to get some real work done today.
12:08:35
flip214
nyef: use ADB... or the gnome-virtual-filesystem and mtp... or let android display its storage as a block device...
12:11:03
nyef
flip214: mtp has, in my experience, never worked right. The block device thing hasn't been available since mtp came in. And I don't have an android devkit installed.
12:27:01
flip214
well, bluetooth? wlan and HTTP upload? do you have a terminal app and bash, so that "cat file > /dev/tcp/other-host/port" would do a simple TCP transfer?
12:46:37
beach
reg_: That is not as easy as it sounds. It needs some customization that is related to the implementation that runs it.
12:47:25
beach
Otherwise, you can get a SICL prompt that uses Cleavir and some of the host if you follow the instructions in the README.
12:53:28
beach
That REPL is very incomplete. You can't expect to run arbitrary code with it. But you can try out simple things. Loading a file such as sbcl.lisp very likely will not work, and it doesn't make much sense either.
12:56:59
beach
OK, let me ask you this instead: when you say you want to compile and run Cleavir, what do you expect it to produce when it runs?
12:59:16
beach
Since Cleavir is a "compiler framework", i.e., a library that needs a fairly large amount of customization from the implementation running it, it can't really be "run" independently of such an implementation. Perhaps the best solution is to use Clasp. Then you get to use Cleavir with each interaction.
12:59:31
reg_
(cleavir-hir-interpreter:interpret-hir (cleavir-sbcl-environment::compile-cleavir '(lambda () (+ 32 10))))
12:59:53
reg_
after having run (ql:quickload '(cleavir-generate-ast cleavir-ast-to-hir cleavir-hir-interpreter))
13:01:14
beach
oleo: package names are global, so one has to be very careful not to introduce conflicts.
13:05:47
beach
No, I mean, HIR code executes in a run-time environment that contains lots of stuff like standard functions, classes, metaclasses, etc.
13:07:03
beach
reg_: Clasp is the only existing more-or-less complete Common Lisp system using Cleavir.
13:07:59
beach
reg_: There is no such thing as generic low-level code in Common Lisp. Everything executes relative to a huge run-time environment.
13:29:00
flip214
nyef: /dev/tcp is a virtual directory, provided by bash for redirections. not visible via ls etc.
13:45:45
nyef
flip214: Lovely. God forbid someone put an _actual_ /dev/tcp device or directory in their system.
13:53:19
nyef
Under the circumstances, I'm suspecting that bash has rather badly overstepped its bounds in the unixoid notion of "small, sharp tools".
13:58:49
flip214
more often than not there was neither bsd-netcat nor gnu-netcat installed, and I needed to transfer some data around.
14:02:00
nyef
Oh, I'm not even going to try to deny that it's useful, I'm just saying that it's badly out-of-scope and not _discoverable_.
14:02:31
nyef
Oh, and that it potentially conflicts with something that could happen in the filesystem.
14:10:33
nyef
(Except, of course, some systems already use UNC filespecs, so it'd have to be something _else_ that doesn't collide the filepath namespace.)
14:15:30
nyef
I had the bash manpage open last week, but I was looking for information on the command-line history mechanism.