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11:16:28
SAL9000
drmeister: FYI, the mixed-case thing wasn't meant as a warning against it -- it's visual studio being stupid and writing all-caps paths to its logfiles, rather than the real paths
11:23:43
drmeister
Ok. I've run into problems with Common Lisp pathnames and OS X paths vs Linux. That's what I was reminded of when you asked that question.
11:24:19
Shinmera
SAL9000: Think of all the DOS users Microsoft has to be backwards compatible to :^)
11:24:43
SAL9000
Sure, but I'd think it was about time that said backwards-compat was, say, relegated to a flag
11:25:14
SAL9000
the fact that Visual Studio upcases all paths in its logs for no good reason doesn't seem to have a grounding in compatibility, either
11:26:34
drmeister
It reinforces my distaste for graphical programming environments. More hoops to jump through.
11:27:15
Shinmera
What your editor prints to a log files has hardly anything to do with how much of a GUI it has
11:27:57
SAL9000
I shouldn't have to parse logfiles to get a JSON compilation database out of a library
11:28:35
Shinmera
I think this is less of an IDE thing and more of a Microsoft thing. They love their internal formats.
11:28:37
SAL9000
just about any sane non-IDE compilation system can be run under a wrapper to easily get a DB out of it
11:29:08
Shinmera
I think the epitome of that is that shortcuts on Windows are a binary blob that is undocumented.
11:30:36
SAL9000
Right. Well, those are saner too, although they still piss me off because .ini and all kinds of underdocumented Magic Fields
11:31:32
Shinmera
It runs a script that updates the desktop file and then launches it. Won't make it work when you extract it, but works after first launch
11:32:25
Shinmera
Anyhoo, my original point was that Microsoft seems to love to make undocumented, internal formats for everything any of their programs touch.
11:33:16
SAL9000
Yeah. WRT IDEs, my counterpoint was that Eclipse had a similar level of "magic" in it's build system/project files
11:37:54
Shinmera
NetBeans used to be better back in the day when I still used Java for myself. I wonder if it's turned into a pile of dung just like Eclipse has.
11:54:29
drmeister
I gave my May train pass to Bike and I'm flashing my June train pass to the conductors today on May 29th. It's working.
11:55:30
Shinmera
Isn't that more of a Dr. Who thing, where he has the paper that just shows the person looking at it what they want to see?
12:40:20
drmeister
I really dislike flying red-eye - but going West to East it makes a lot of sense.
12:41:22
drmeister
I can finally get back to debugging this exception handling stuff. It was impossible to do any debugging at the workshop.
16:09:00
drmeister
Hey stassats - bike is working with me in Philadelphia this summer. He needs a powerful desktop. Do you have any motherboard/processor recommendations?