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4:45:19
drmeister
The only thing we lose is the ability to provide the arguments in the error message.
4:46:42
drmeister
If I could go (let ((saved-initargs (core:vaslist-copy initargs))) (declare (dynamic-extent saved-initargs)) ... )
4:52:08
drmeister
I could allocate it on the heap - but that kind of defeats the purpose of avoiding consing.
5:11:21
drmeister
Hoookay - that was a terrible idea. shared-initialize repeatedly loops over the initargs
6:00:38
drmeister
I changed less than 10 lines of code and now vaslist's are 64bytes rather than 32 and they keep a copy of their original value.
13:10:22
beach
The code is not evolving very fast, but I recently completed a fairly complete specification of the garbage collector.
13:17:07
beach
An alternative would have to be significantly better for me to switch. For one thing, I can't see myself working without the abbrev processor and flyspell mode.
13:18:37
frgo
Last time I did create a tex text was in 1991... Si I was wondering if there is something else than emacs available these days.
13:23:00
Shinmera
At least with the new engines like LuaTeX you can use custom fonts and lots of other things that erase some of the pain.
13:23:38
frgo
Well, in 1991, for me, LaTeX was A Good Thing. The only environment that was able to typeset and print my diploma thesis text the way it was supposed to look.
13:24:52
beach
You were lucky. I find that if I want to deviate from the default way of formating things, it is nearly impossible.
13:26:56
frgo
Good coincidence - wanted to talk to you about Deeds barking when being loaded intom AllegroCL.
13:30:54
frgo
That may well be. What's special for LW? Just the fact that the whole section needs to be available at read tome?
13:35:36
Shinmera
Weirdly enough I've gotten a good share of emails from people that tried to use one of my libraries with LW/ACL and it just didn't work out of the box and required special massaging
13:36:53
frgo
As you're saying: MOP isn't the same beast for all of them. But we have (and you are using) Closer to MOP.
13:39:22
frgo
ah - now that begs the question what else there was... I am about to settle for either LW or ACL for a commercial product. I tend to go with ACL as I am also planning to use Franz' AllegroGraph database.
13:52:10
kpoeck
@frgo: Why not try our allegro and lispworks. I'd assume they both give a a free, non-crippeled version for a limit amount of time
13:53:03
frgo
I do have a commercial license for both. I actually am right into the process of /trying/ ;-)
13:56:32
Shinmera
I don't know if LW changed their free version but it used to be ludicrously out of date
13:56:59
kpoeck
Back to clasp: I changed 1 signature of a function in random.cc and now 111 files in bclasp and 417 files in cclasp are recompiling
14:00:02
frgo
Yep - but the LW people will give out a timelocked trial vervion if you ask them and are able to describe a commercial intent / chance for buying a license.
14:01:13
frgo
kpoeck: Re WAF: No, not really. I did read the code about a year ago and gave up for the simple reason of python spaghetti code
14:06:33
frgo
I'm an emacs kid - so, 99% of the time I use it from emacs (slime). But there are cases where I switch to the IDE of AllegroCL - mostly class browsing and the source stepping functionality.
15:23:57
beach
I learned Emacs in around 1980 or so. It has been an investment that has paid off many times over.
15:54:14
beach
karlosz: I don't think you need liveness information when you do a total inlining. If you do a partial one, you might pass dead arguments without a liveness analysis.
15:55:09
karlosz
im am currently trying to work on getting instruction ownership and location ownerships to be incrmentally recalculated
15:59:27
karlosz
i was thinking it would be enough to just add each cloned instruction mapped to the caller function's enter
15:59:56
karlosz
but having to copy functions to and worrying about local ownerships is a little hairy
16:00:32
beach
Or you can hold off until you inlined a complete function. Only the ownerships of instructions to be inlined are required.
16:06:48
drmeister
Bike: I changed a bunch of &rest parameters that were ignored to core:&va-rest in clos.
16:09:27
drmeister
Furthermore - if all that happens to the &rest parameter is it is used in the tail of an APPLY - switch to &va-rest.
16:10:18
drmeister
Beyond that it gets a little dicey - it's slightly more expensive to iterate over a &va-rest list multiple times than it is to iterate over a regular list
16:14:38
Bike
i knew a guy once whose keyboard just inserted random characters at random times. so he was just garbled all the time
16:14:49
beach
karlosz: Like I said, if you do inlining from innermost and out, then you can do the full inlining, then recompute ownership, etc.
16:16:21
Bike
i had decided we couldn't do innermost functions first, but maybe that was due to my bad criterion...
16:16:23
karlosz
beach: what about location-ownerships? it seems that those would need to be recomputed, especially iwhen inlining enclose instructions, since those copy entire functions
16:22:09
karlosz
i see. then the only sticking point is inlining children before parents in the function-dag. Bike, what was the reason you decided that can't be done? and im not sure whether recomputing ownership once everything gets inlined is better. just map-local0instructions over the caller? seems less efficient is the owner is big and the callee is small
16:28:55
Bike
as you've probably noticed, the code for determining what to inline is the worst part of the system